Rick's Rangerz 3 Link Kit - has anyone used one?


The three link looked good with the coilover combo. Four link with a panhard or watts intrigues me more, once again with coilovers. Cost will enter in to it a bit, but if they're within range of one another, I'll probably bite for the four link pending the amount of fab work I'd need to do.

The only other four link I know of on the market is like $4100... which is gon happen on the 38 year old truck.

FIFY
 
Panhard bar on my 2004 Lightning. I thought it was a worthwhile addition. Also replaced the cheap ass stamped steel transmission crossmember with a tubular chromoly steel part, custom made for me. Boy did that make a difference. Truck seems noticeably stiffer after installing that. Part behind is is a driveshaft safety loop. Already done it's job once, kept the driveshaft from falling on the ground after an accident (not my fault).
Rick's Rangerz 3 Link Kit - has anyone used one?

Rick's Rangerz 3 Link Kit - has anyone used one?
 
I've always wondered why all the pics I see of a watts are vertically oriented. Why not horizontal? Using the right type endlink should work. And easier to attach to the frame. Just a thought.
 
I figured that is why you were testing this stuff on the '11 for the '88...
Yeah... ish. I really like the 2011, even though the SOHC is an inferior engine. The rest of the truck is an ideal level of tech for daily use purposes, but too much tech to modify heavily for extreme build stuff. So it's a happy medium.
 
I've always wondered why all the pics I see of a watts are vertically oriented. Why not horizontal? Using the right type endlink should work. And easier to attach to the frame. Just a thought.
I've read interesting stuff to that effect as well with watts vs panhard... apparently watts is not always the answer to axle location issues.
 
Rick is a good dude.

I’m probably largely responsible for him offering the torsion bar lowering arms. I got a set for my green Ranger but life has gotten in the way of working on getting it back on the road.
Yep. We were after those for a while and he's the only one that would actually produce. Was all set to buy a set myself before getting the F-150. Now it looks like the Ranger is getting lifted instead, just not happy with the performance compared to that EcoBoost and 10 speed. The F-250 was my wood/hunting truck, but the F-150 isn't going there, at least not for quite a few years.


If you end up with the 3-link, definitely keep us posted on how it goes. Depending on how things work out with the other trucks I might be up for something like that on a first gen. Either lowering the 85 as a new daily driver to replace the Kia, or take the 86 parts truck and build a toy. The 85 is definitely getting lowered when/if it gets built, I've already got all the parts, but not sure if I'll keep the leafs or go with a link. It's a long bed dual tank (which I plan to keep) and only going as low as a set of DJM beams, so not sure I want to bother with linking it. I've been enjoying watching drift and auto-x events, and one of the somewhat local drift events had an S-10 drift truck, was a hoot watching it keep up with or outpace the cars. I'm thinking take the parts truck that's already stripped down, add an AJC crossmember, link the rear, figure out an engine to drop in, have fun.
 
I have rick'srangerz on Facebook. Everyone seems to like the stuff he builds and he is always selling out on stuff. He goes to lots of car shows around the USA so if there is a big one near you, he may show up in his white lowered explorer towing a trailer of parts to sell
 
Interesting... there's a parallel 4 link kit incoming as well that he's indicated he's currently working on.

The triangulated 4 link would be better than the parallel, but requires ditching the stock fuel tank. Triangulated alleviates the need for a watts link or panhard bar, but is harder to adjust. Allegedly isn't as good for articulation either (not that you'll be doing much of that), but I see a lot of offroaders building triangulated setups.

Parallel is easier to adjust, but more complex in requiring the additional linkage to control lateral movement of the axle.

If you're like me on the 85 you'd want to keep the stock tank(s). The thing to check into for Rick's incoming kit is if the links are going to be inside or outside the framerail. If inside the rails, then it's no better than a triangulated setup due to losing the tank and requiring the extra hardware.
3 link is better than the current leaf springs and traction bars IMO, and I'm presuming parallel 4 link with a watts is better again. But I'll be honest, I'm in unfamiliar territory here.



I don't think a three link is going to be leaps and bounds better if you are keeping leaves.

It is basically the same thing as traction bars with addition of the extra bar on the top.

I am assuming you are keeping leaves if you don't need a panhard/watts to locate the axle.

The style of 3-link that Rick builds offers the same axle centering ability as a triangulated 4-link, no additional linkage needed. I have seen three links where the upper link only has a single attach point at the frame, that would require an additional linkage unless you triangulated the lower links.

Not much point in doing the work of a link setup if you're going to leave leaf springs. Most likely the fixed mounting to the leafs would create binding if combined with links. I have seen slider setups that replace the spring perch and plates to use with links, but I don't see much point in that when a set of coil overs or air bags will handle any load of a truck build like this and ride/handle better doing it.

I've always wondered why all the pics I see of a watts are vertically oriented. Why not horizontal? Using the right type endlink should work. And easier to attach to the frame. Just a thought.

vertical... horizontal... Are you sure you're thinking about the right thing?

Panhard bar is like the track bar on a 4x4 truck with a solid front axle. Needs to be long as possible to reduce induced lateral movement during suspension travel. That pretty much dictates a horizontal configuration attachiong to the frame on one side and axle on the other.

Watts link is much the same, except that it elimintates the induced lateral movement by using a bellcrank between two links instead of a fixed end at the axle. Still best for the links to be as long as possible/practical for best performance, as it reduces the ammount of travel required by the bellcrank.

That bellcrank pretty much has to be vertical for the watts link to work. If you tried to use a watts link without a bellcrank, effectively a panhard bar to each frame rail, the suspension would bind due to the two links fighting each other. If you made the bellcrank of the watts link horizontal, you'd effectively have the same issue (be similar to a rack and pinion steering). For the bellcrank to be horizontal the links would have to be vertical, but that wouldn't work for centering the axle, and I imagine it would effectively prevent suspension compression. Not to mention if the links were vertical, where would attach the lower one?

That's probably about as clear as mud isn't it?

I've read interesting stuff to that effect as well with watts vs panhard... apparently watts is not always the answer to axle location issues.

IMO, it depends on what you're trying to do.

If rear suspension articulation will be minimal, the panhard bar will do the job while being cheaper, easier, and lighter. The problem with a panhard is when the suspension as a whole will be moving up and down a lot. Think of a squatting drag car, a truck on air bags. Those setups have a lot of suspension movement. Since both ends of the panhard bar are fixed mounts the axle end is going to move through an arc as the suspension moves, pulling the axle off center if it moves a lot. By making the bar as long as possible/practical you reduce the effect. Might result in different handling on left vs right cornering depending on where it's attached, and how much it's articulating.

If the rear suspension is going to be moving a lot, the watts links should be the better choice. Virtually eliminates the lateral movement that the panhard bar induces, which doing the same job of centering the axle. Tradeoff is it's more expensive, more complex, and heavier. For most installations it will also require removing the watts link to service the rear differential, atleast for anything requiring cover removal. If you go this route, I'd definitely invest in a diff cover that has drain and fill provisions. I'd recommend that anyway.
 
The triangulated 4 link would be better than the parallel, but requires ditching the stock fuel tank. Triangulated alleviates the need for a watts link or panhard bar, but is harder to adjust. Allegedly isn't as good for articulation either (not that you'll be doing much of that), but I see a lot of offroaders building triangulated setups.

Parallel is easier to adjust, but more complex in requiring the additional linkage to control lateral movement of the axle.

If you're like me on the 85 you'd want to keep the stock tank(s). The thing to check into for Rick's incoming kit is if the links are going to be inside or outside the framerail. If inside the rails, then it's no better than a triangulated setup due to losing the tank and requiring the extra hardware.






The style of 3-link that Rick builds offers the same axle centering ability as a triangulated 4-link, no additional linkage needed. I have seen three links where the upper link only has a single attach point at the frame, that would require an additional linkage unless you triangulated the lower links.

Not much point in doing the work of a link setup if you're going to leave leaf springs. Most likely the fixed mounting to the leafs would create binding if combined with links. I have seen slider setups that replace the spring perch and plates to use with links, but I don't see much point in that when a set of coil overs or air bags will handle any load of a truck build like this and ride/handle better doing it.



vertical... horizontal... Are you sure you're thinking about the right thing?

Panhard bar is like the track bar on a 4x4 truck with a solid front axle. Needs to be long as possible to reduce induced lateral movement during suspension travel. That pretty much dictates a horizontal configuration attachiong to the frame on one side and axle on the other.

Watts link is much the same, except that it elimintates the induced lateral movement by using a bellcrank between two links instead of a fixed end at the axle. Still best for the links to be as long as possible/practical for best performance, as it reduces the ammount of travel required by the bellcrank.

That bellcrank pretty much has to be vertical for the watts link to work. If you tried to use a watts link without a bellcrank, effectively a panhard bar to each frame rail, the suspension would bind due to the two links fighting each other. If you made the bellcrank of the watts link horizontal, you'd effectively have the same issue (be similar to a rack and pinion steering). For the bellcrank to be horizontal the links would have to be vertical, but that wouldn't work for centering the axle, and I imagine it would effectively prevent suspension compression. Not to mention if the links were vertical, where would attach the lower one?

That's probably about as clear as mud isn't it?



IMO, it depends on what you're trying to do.

If rear suspension articulation will be minimal, the panhard bar will do the job while being cheaper, easier, and lighter. The problem with a panhard is when the suspension as a whole will be moving up and down a lot. Think of a squatting drag car, a truck on air bags. Those setups have a lot of suspension movement. Since both ends of the panhard bar are fixed mounts the axle end is going to move through an arc as the suspension moves, pulling the axle off center if it moves a lot. By making the bar as long as possible/practical you reduce the effect. Might result in different handling on left vs right cornering depending on where it's attached, and how much it's articulating.

If the rear suspension is going to be moving a lot, the watts links should be the better choice. Virtually eliminates the lateral movement that the panhard bar induces, which doing the same job of centering the axle. Tradeoff is it's more expensive, more complex, and heavier. For most installations it will also require removing the watts link to service the rear differential, atleast for anything requiring cover removal. If you go this route, I'd definitely invest in a diff cover that has drain and fill provisions. I'd recommend that anyway.
The way I envision a horizontal watts, is using a tierod style connection on the bell crank. I guess it depends on how much vertical movement the axle is going to have.
I'll have to play with a model and see if reality coincides with my vision.
 
@alwaysFlOoReD, I'm really not seeing how a tie rod would make that work. Most of them use a heim joint which operates about the same as a TRE, just with a bolt instead of a stud. If you come up with a model that seems to work, please share.
 
I have rick'srangerz on Facebook. Everyone seems to like the stuff he builds and he is always selling out on stuff. He goes to lots of car shows around the USA so if there is a big one near you, he may show up in his white lowered explorer towing a trailer of parts to sell
Could you give me a shout when he posts about the 4 link stuff? I am not allowed back on Meta apps. 😅
 
The triangulated 4 link would be better than the parallel, but requires ditching the stock fuel tank. Triangulated alleviates the need for a watts link or panhard bar, but is harder to adjust. Allegedly isn't as good for articulation either (not that you'll be doing much of that), but I see a lot of offroaders building triangulated setups.

Parallel is easier to adjust, but more complex in requiring the additional linkage to control lateral movement of the axle.

If you're like me on the 85 you'd want to keep the stock tank(s). The thing to check into for Rick's incoming kit is if the links are going to be inside or outside the framerail. If inside the rails, then it's no better than a triangulated setup due to losing the tank and requiring the extra hardware.






The style of 3-link that Rick builds offers the same axle centering ability as a triangulated 4-link, no additional linkage needed. I have seen three links where the upper link only has a single attach point at the frame, that would require an additional linkage unless you triangulated the lower links.

Not much point in doing the work of a link setup if you're going to leave leaf springs. Most likely the fixed mounting to the leafs would create binding if combined with links. I have seen slider setups that replace the spring perch and plates to use with links, but I don't see much point in that when a set of coil overs or air bags will handle any load of a truck build like this and ride/handle better doing it.



vertical... horizontal... Are you sure you're thinking about the right thing?

Panhard bar is like the track bar on a 4x4 truck with a solid front axle. Needs to be long as possible to reduce induced lateral movement during suspension travel. That pretty much dictates a horizontal configuration attachiong to the frame on one side and axle on the other.

Watts link is much the same, except that it elimintates the induced lateral movement by using a bellcrank between two links instead of a fixed end at the axle. Still best for the links to be as long as possible/practical for best performance, as it reduces the ammount of travel required by the bellcrank.

That bellcrank pretty much has to be vertical for the watts link to work. If you tried to use a watts link without a bellcrank, effectively a panhard bar to each frame rail, the suspension would bind due to the two links fighting each other. If you made the bellcrank of the watts link horizontal, you'd effectively have the same issue (be similar to a rack and pinion steering). For the bellcrank to be horizontal the links would have to be vertical, but that wouldn't work for centering the axle, and I imagine it would effectively prevent suspension compression. Not to mention if the links were vertical, where would attach the lower one?

That's probably about as clear as mud isn't it?



IMO, it depends on what you're trying to do.

If rear suspension articulation will be minimal, the panhard bar will do the job while being cheaper, easier, and lighter. The problem with a panhard is when the suspension as a whole will be moving up and down a lot. Think of a squatting drag car, a truck on air bags. Those setups have a lot of suspension movement. Since both ends of the panhard bar are fixed mounts the axle end is going to move through an arc as the suspension moves, pulling the axle off center if it moves a lot. By making the bar as long as possible/practical you reduce the effect. Might result in different handling on left vs right cornering depending on where it's attached, and how much it's articulating.

If the rear suspension is going to be moving a lot, the watts links should be the better choice. Virtually eliminates the lateral movement that the panhard bar induces, which doing the same job of centering the axle. Tradeoff is it's more expensive, more complex, and heavier. For most installations it will also require removing the watts link to service the rear differential, atleast for anything requiring cover removal. If you go this route, I'd definitely invest in a diff cover that has drain and fill provisions. I'd recommend that anyway.
Good info... read tons on panhards when I was looking at this a year or two ago. Found a jeep TJ track bar bracket that is made for ranger 8.8 that would work with minimum effort.

Watts always seemed like a PITA for fab work. More than I want to get in to, at least. There's 8.8 kits out there, but they're stubby, and I was looking at using a jeep bracket near the leaf spring on one side, and mounting to the outside of the frame on the other.

It's why I'm looking at just a 3 link and coilovers, or a bolt in 4 link kit... I'm done in a weekend and have more time to do other stuff. Will it be as nice as if I spent 6 months making an ideal setup? No. Will it do donuts in @85_Ranger4x4 s yard? Yep. So, close enough.
 
Good info... read tons on panhards when I was looking at this a year or two ago. Found a jeep TJ track bar bracket that is made for ranger 8.8 that would work with minimum effort.

Watts always seemed like a PITA for fab work. More than I want to get in to, at least. There's 8.8 kits out there, but they're stubby, and I was looking at using a jeep bracket near the leaf spring on one side, and mounting to the outside of the frame on the other.

It's why I'm looking at just a 3 link and coilovers, or a bolt in 4 link kit... I'm done in a weekend and have more time to do other stuff. Will it be as nice as if I spent 6 months making an ideal setup? No. Will it do donuts in @85_Ranger4x4 s yard? Yep. So, close enough.

I'm with you on that, but I'm not sure why you want to tear up his yard when there's perfectly good asphalt out front.

If you aren't in one of the use cases where a watts link really shines, it hardly seems worth the effort.

If I were doing a Ranger build with a bolt in link setup and keeping the stock tank, I wouldn;t hesitate ro run Rick's 3-link. If I were ditching the stock tank, as I might if I build the 86, his triangulated 4-link would probably be my first choice and the 3-link a close second.
 

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