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reving high when depressing clutch...


mitch4712

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Kiefer
Vehicle Year
1994
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Manual
Hey guys. I need some help.when I'm driving and I push in the clutch to shift. The rpms on my truck go up to 2900 by its self.... When I hold in the clutch and coast to a stop the rpms stay at 2900 till I get stopped them it will idle down....

Any ideas?
I'm lost....
 
Couple of mechanical things to check first.
Remove throttle cover on engine
If you have Cruise Control remove that cable from the throttle linkage, and drive it, see if cruise control is acting up, it can.
Vacuum can hold open throttle

Throttle plate has a return spring, it forces throttle closed against the incoming air when you let off the gas.

The above would be most likely issue

With engine warmed up it should idle at 700rpms
There is a cylinder on the upper intake near the throttle, it is the IAC Valve(idle air control), computer uses this to set the 700rpm idle, and 1,000rpm idle with cold engine.
With engine idling unplug IAC valve, RPM should drop to 500 or engine my even stall, either is good and means computer is in control, if no change in RPM then IAC valve could be bad, remove it and have a look inside at the valve, see if it is dirty or loose.
The uses a Step Motor, which is a "digital" motor "kind of", computer can send it a pulse voltage to open it 1/4", a different pulse opens it 3/4", different pulse opens 1/16", ect.......if this pulse recognition goes bad IAC valve can act up.

Also on the throttle is the TPS(throttle position sensor)
This tells the computer where your foot is on the gas pedal, this works like a volume control or light dimmer, computer sends it 5volts, if TPS sends back 1volt engine is idling(foot off the gas pedal), if TPS sends back 4.5volts engine is wide open(foot to the floor), so in between 1v and 4.5v is the range the computer uses to set fuel flow.
If you let off the gas but voltage doesn't drop to 1v right away then computer keeps feeding extra fuel so RPMs go up with no load on engine(clutch in) and then slowly drop as TPS voltage does.
 
Ok... I checked the throttle linkage looks like it's working correctly. I just parked it and it's idling at1000 rpms.. I unplugged the iac and the idle dropped to 500. And I plugged it back in and it went back to 1000.
I'll check the tps tomorrow. I also noticed it kinda has a flat spot in the acceleration between 2000 and 2500 rpms. Thanks for all your knowledge. I'm new to these little trucks.
 
In older (higher mileage) engines, I've also found that a dirty throttle body plate can cause idle issues, usually low or irratic idle.

Remove it, and spray throttle body cleaner on the throttle plate to remove the carbon and oilish buildup that happens. Then re-install and see if the idle improves.

Don't use carb cleaner on a throttle body plate, as they usually have a coating on them that carb cleaner can strip off. There is a specific throttle body cleaner that is made to clean them.
 
thanks bucko, ill try that to. Ron D I checked the voltage on the three wires coming from the TPS. the first had 5.07 volts, the second had .87 volts (this one the voltage would go up and back to .87volts when the trottle was released) and the third had .006 volts(this one did not change when moving the throttle). its weird that the rpms stay up till I come to a complete stop then they go down. I did it on the way to work this morning butbt the time i got my voltmeter it staredt running fine.... I just bught this truck... man its irritatating... thanks for your help.
I wonder if I should just change the TPS. its been changed once before I bought it. maybe the shaop that did it put in a cheap one...
 
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Pretty much all computer controlled engines work the same, this is not Ford specific stuff, just FYI.

TPS output voltage reads OK, .7-1.0v is spec. 0.9v is optimal throttle close voltage, what you look for on this wire is a smooth voltage increase when throttle opens, no jumping around, and the same smooth voltage decrease as throttle is closed.
So TPS "looks" OK, check this voltage full range, .87 to 4.5-4.9, and make sure there is no jumping around.

5.07v is the power from the computer
.006v is the Ground wire

Computer uses the CKP(crank position) sensor to determine RPM, also spark and fuel injector timing, so this sensor is independent from TPS or IAC.
Warm engine target RPM is 700 for manual trans.
For some reason Computer is setting 1,000rpm, you know computer is doing it because when you unplugged IAC the rpm dropped, so it is not a bad IAC valve, it is being "told" to open more for higher idle.
The IAC's step motor could be "reading" pulses incorrectly but computer should turn on the CEL(check engine light) if that was happening

The 500rpm(without IAC) also tells you there is probably not a vacuum leak, probably.
3.0l maintains a high vacuum in the crankcase/valve cover area to reduce blow-by emissions, with engine idling unscrew oil filler cap and see what RPMs does?

The computer is setup to maintain about 1,000rpm "idle" until speedometer is below 5mph, this is to reduce emissions.
It is also programmed to hold RPMs high, on manual trans, when shifting gears, this increases MPG and reduces emissions.
But RPMs shouldn't jump up very high when clutch goes in, just stay high for a few seconds then drop to 1,000 until speed is below 5mph.

What is the cold engine idle like?
What RPM?

The computer uses an engine coolant temp(ECT) sensor to determine when to run engine rich with high idle(cold engine), and when to run engine lean 700rpm idle(warm engine).
This is a 2 wire sensor, similar looking to the 1 wire SENDER used for the dash board temp gauge
If engine is not warming up all the way, just below 1/2 on the gauge, or if ECT sensor is not reading temp correctly then computer may think engine is not warmed up so is keeping idle slightly higher, but this would usually turn on CEL.

One thing I would do is to reboot the computer, unhook battery for minimum 5 minutes, then hook it back up.
The computer "learns" sensor parameters, rebooting forces it to relearn current sensor incoming data.
Also clears old learned data, there could be a 1 where there should be a 0, and that is causing the issue, long shot but not a no shot :)

And just for future reference, anytime you change anything on the engine, you should unhook the battery before you start the work, yes it is for safety but it also reboots computer when you restart engine, so any changes will be seen by computer.
People often swap out sensors and parts without doing this and their problem doesn't change with new parts, this is because computer is still using the old sensors data for operation so new sensor is not "seen".
 
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ok thanks for the info. ill reset the computer and do the test on the TPS on my lunch break.
 
If you let off the gas but voltage doesn't drop to 1v right away then computer keeps feeding extra fuel so RPMs go up with no load on engine(clutch in) and then slowly drop as TPS voltage does.

I'm doubting the connection to the TPS. Extra fuel without open throttle would stall the engine not increase rpms.

The throttle must be sticking open - both air and fuel for rpms.
 
a double check the linkage on the throttle and everything seems to be running smoothly. I got to looking and I think the EGR valve has been removed and capped off. Is the EGR valve behind the throttle linkage?
 
There were alot of 3.0's put into the 94 ranger and b3000's that did not a egr system. The block off plate would be there on yours since you did not get a egr on your truck when it was made.

Whew!!! I thought I fixing to have to put all that junk on. Lol
Today I was checkin out the plugs and distributior cap and rotor today.
The cap and rotor was burnt. I cleaned it all up with Emory cloth and it's running much better.
No more high revs when shifting.. it idled a lot smoother too.
 
I have had similar issues with my 94. It has finally calmed down. I just kept running seafoam or lucas through it. Done my spark plugs because one was cracked. After that it calmed right down. I don't really know what the issue was so to speak. Keep us posted though if it acts up again. Trying to find as much info about this issue as possible. Nice to know my 94 ain't alone in having this issue and also my 94 doesn't have an EGR either. So yours ain't alone in that.
 

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