Recent 2020 Ranger purchase, tranny pooched

[superj]

man, the new transmissions in everything seem to break easily. nissan has transmission troubles in the trucks and rwd suvs, too. and i am not even talking about the cvt model of vehicles anyone makes

 

[bobbywalter]

man, the new transmissions in everything seem to break easily. nissan has transmission troubles in the trucks and rwd suvs, too. and i am not even talking about the cvt model of vehicles anyone makes

perceptions and reality need qualification.

this transmission doesn't break easily. even the baby one in the ranger.....it would never fail if it was powered by classic engines and trucks. say 302 351 or 300 i6.

you have to remember the 2.3 ranger will make more power then most anything gas powered through the early 2000s with just a tuner. it has 270 hp and 310 ft lb stock and EXREMELY limited to that via programming to keep it reliably on warranty goals...

360 hp and 420 ftlb is available with its tiny system that feeds it in place. thats more then any truck ever pre 2000s. the nano 6 available now blows away anything from before....and will murder the c6 or 400 in thier stock forms. and thise are the standard heavyweights.....not what most trucks got.

the 10r140 will twist a c6 or t400 in half.


many of the issues of course will always be there ..
making it out of particular materials is definitely a bad idea. and for the few that go that far, there are corrections available now. the stupid little shit like collapsing retainer clips that model forever in pc simulations have failed in the real world.

good . at least there are flaws..



so context.

now CVT....well .... fawk em.

 

[bobbywalter]

Sorry for the double post folks!



*UPDATE*

I just got back from the Ford dealership that "repaired" the transmission, they told me that the new transmissions are adaptive and that the stutter I'm feeling is the trucks programming learning my driving habits and adjusting accordingly, since it doesn't know how I drive, it doesn't know when to shift up and shift down. They said that I should come back after I've put about 2000 km on it (I've put 1200 km on since the 27th) and if its still doing it, they'll have a look. So I'm tentatively booked for repair next tuesday and I need to drive as much as I can between now and then to really break it in I guess.

TLDR; Basically they told me "they all do that" but still booked me in anyway.

Sounds like fairy tales and hokum to me but... I really don't know anything about automobiles. (I'm a two wheel sorta fella)

You guys are awesome, thanks again!

the 10r has a specific reset strategy listed in the gears article....

here is an old vid

the 10r is supposed to be the most rapid adapting thing ever. and can be from day one.

but the real world says otherwise. my 10r140 would got to neutral on me the first 20 k and the first 5k after the engine was replaced.

and all sorts of other weird shit.

just make damn sure it has 95 plus percent the correct fluid and that it is at least 205 degrees before you whoop on it

if someone added a trans cooler to it it will never shift right and get destroyed.

we learned that the hard way with our hotshot trucks.

 

[superj]

perceptions and reality need qualification.

this transmission doesn't break easily. even the baby one in the ranger.....it would never fail if it was powered by classic engines and trucks. say 302 351 or 300 i6.

yup, the engine made today destroy the transmission made today way more easily than in the past. and i think you are right, so much stuff is computer simulated and then the real world tests only simulate driving around in hot and cold areas while towing.

talking to guys here who do those test mule driving simulations (we see the test cars for lots of manufacturers here in south texas. all painted up like zebras or covered in weird cloth looking things to hide their actual looks), they don't do anything but set cruise control and drive the set routes for their 8 hour shifts. and that is probably actually only 6 or 7 hours of road time because of breaks, refueling, etc. but the miles rack up and its driving in real life so the designers feel its real world driving.

the thing is, its not in traffic or dealing with actual stop and go, towing a heavy load in stop and go, or bumper to bumper driving flooring and braking.... normal real world driving some people do.

i actually see a lot of the truck testing here, occasionally cars. especially dodge and toyota. it will generally be three or four identical models with manufacturer plates with at least one pulling a flat trailer that has a large frontal load to simulate an rv (because of hte wind we have here).

 

[bobbywalter]

yup, the engine made today destroy the transmission made today way more easily than in the past. and i think you are right, so much stuff is computer simulated and then the real world tests only simulate driving around in hot and cold areas while towing.

talking to guys here who do those test mule driving simulations (we see the test cars for lots of manufacturers here in south texas. all painted up like zebras or covered in weird cloth looking things to hide their actual looks), they don't do anything but set cruise control and drive the set routes for their 8 hour shifts. and that is probably actually only 6 or 7 hours of road time because of breaks, refueling, etc. but the miles rack up and its driving in real life so the designers feel its real world driving.

the thing is, its not in traffic or dealing with actual stop and go, towing a heavy load in stop and go, or bumper to bumper driving flooring and braking.... normal real world driving some people do.

i actually see a lot of the truck testing here, occasionally cars. especially dodge and toyota. it will generally be three or four identical models with manufacturer plates with at least one pulling a flat trailer that has a large frontal load to simulate an rv (because of hte wind we have here).

for sure testing can be hum drum on public roads

.. there is much harsher stuff .... all sorts of scenarios.

tempe and dearborn do some violent stuff. but we are in the middle of it all. most people do not even notice.

 

[MrGr4y]

*ANOTHER UPDATE* Pre-Service appointment, I've put over 2000 km on since the transmission was "replaced" in the last 500km or so Its popped a transmission light and started giving my Ford App all kinds of notes. Can't wait bring this in for fixin and actually start enjoying this fantastic truck.