RBV's vs Toyota equivalent?

[6.2]

the argument was aftermarket support... not all this BS you're blabbing about.

i dont give a rats ass what you like, old RBV's arent eh only RBV's. so to say there is quite a bit of aftermarket support, is wrong. because there isnt for all RBV's

 

[Twister]

Nope didn't miss a thing, the "Big 3" have had the same rust issues its just covered up because well they're supposedly "American" vehicles so most issues with GM, Chrysler, and Ford vehicles goes unnoticed.

I could care less about who drives what and why they drive it, if it gets you from point a to point b fine.

Which Tundra does your dad own first generation or 2nd? I know issues were rampent on the early first generation tundras which actually were the Toyota T-100's just redesigned to accommodate the V8 engines. I've got guys on the Tundra forum with 200k+ on their 2nd generation tundras and no major problems other than normal maintenance. The thing I hate is the overabundance of electronics, which is why I never open the hood on my tundra other than to check the fluids. There's nothing I can do to fix it if something goes wrong, same goes for any of the "Big 3" vehicles as well unless you are an electronics major there's nothing you can do to fix them unless its routine maintenance related or you have the $10k computer to hook up and diagnose every little thing, the little scan tools you can get a the parts stores don't come close to helping with major problems. This is why I got back into an old ford again, I can work on it myself, and I need a project vehicle I can mess around with whenever I want to LOL.

Toyota just like all other manufacturers started catering to all of the soccer mom, grocery getter, family crowds and started building glorified station wagons and filled them full of unnecessary electronics and safety features making the home DIYer a thing of the past unfortunately. I could care less if you drive a BMW, or a Yugo, they're all built with the family un-knowledgeable operators in mind now which is another reason manual transmissions are becoming non-existent. People are lazy.

Its a 2nd Gen, either a 2009 or 2010.

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[85_Ranger4x4]

i dont give a rats ass what you like, old RBV's arent eh only RBV's. so to say there is quite a bit of aftermarket support, is wrong. because there isnt for all RBV's

New ones are not the only ones either, to say there is little support is equally if not more wrong since you are denying something that actually exists for the older trucks.

With over half a dozen lift companies off the top of my head, steering setups, bumpers, lockers, suspension (shocks and springs) glass body panels and stronger lockout hubs are very available. Heck Duff has with a bolt-in SAS kit. Maybe not all the fluffy appearance stuff but the meat and taters is there in force for TTB trucks.

 

[6.2]

And we're comparing RBV's to toyotas. And in doing so, the aftermarket support for RBV's compared to toyotas is barely anything.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

And we're comparing RBV's to toyotas. And in doing so, the aftermarket support for RBV's compared to toyotas is barely anything.

It may be, it isn't lacking enough you cannot build a capable truck though.

 

[Rose2300]

It may be, it isn't lacking enough you cannot build a capable truck though.

This is true. but most (not all) of the suspension kits for rbvs simply lifts the truck to clear large tires. There is not much suspension travel (ie using blocks and front spacers, or coils which are wayy too stiff) unless you piece together your own kit, or do a SAS yourself or pay thousand to have a shop do it. With the toyota aftermarket Most kits are geared toward improving suspension articulation, lift height is usually not the main focus, except for brands like skyjacker.

This is only my opinion so don't take it to heart please!

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

This is true. but most (not all) of the suspension kits for rbvs simply lifts the truck to clear large tires. There is not much suspension travel (ie using blocks and front spacers, or coils which are wayy too stiff) unless you piece together your own kit, or do a SAS yourself or pay thousand to have a shop do it. With the toyota aftermarket Most kits are geared toward improving suspension articulation, lift height is usually not the main focus, except for brands like skyjacker.

This is only my opinion so don't take it to heart please!

It all depends on how what you get.

http://www.therangerstation.com/tech_library/Suspension_Kits.html

 

[wildbill23c]

Its a 2nd Gen, either a 2009 or 2010.

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Weird your dad's truck is the only one I've heard of having to change a rear end in. I've heard of a couple transmission issues but there were several truths as to how the vehicle was maintained and operated that were hidden in the original complaint. I think the best one I've heard on the new tundras is people blowing engines because they're trying to install parts that the truck wasn't designed for. I've got 62K on my 08 tundra and never had any issues and the accelerator recall was a bunch of bs I drove the truck around for 3-1/2 years before the recall and never once did it act as if there was an issue with the accelerator.

The first generation 4Runners were great, but for some reason when they decided to add a V6 to the early models it just didn't have the power. The fuel injected 4 cylinders in the early 4Runners and Toyota pickups were great motors and would last forever when properly maintained, but the early V6 engines the 3.0L's were just horrible for power and if you got the 3.0L V6 with the automatic transmission it was worse LOL.

As for aftermarket accessories and parts, the 4Runners have the Rangers and the Bronco 2's beat by a long shot, because the 4Runners are very popular with extreme offroad groups all over the world it seems like so of course the popularity is gonna win aftermarket companies over. However, I see a lot of Ranger's and Bronco 2's on the trails so I'm not sure why they're not supported more by the offroad companies.

 

[wildbill23c]

the argument was aftermarket support... not all this BS you're blabbing about.

i dont give a rats ass what you like, old RBV's arent eh only RBV's. so to say there is quite a bit of aftermarket support, is wrong. because there isnt for all RBV's

There's support for anything it all depends on how deep your wallet is it seems like. For some reason the Ranger/Bronco 2 just is very lacking in most areas for aftermarket accessories or parts. Sadly the older they get the more lacking the support is becoming. Here about 30 miles from my house is a 4x4 shop that can fabricate anything you wish, so it all depends on where you live.

There's quite a bit of support you just have to do some research and heaven forbid you have to leave your house to get it done. People seem to think that every little thing they want or need should be within arms reach of their living room. Doesn't work that way, you have to research what you want and go find it. I know when I had my Jeep I wanted an aftermarket bumper, no one where I live had one, or knew of anywhere that had them. I ended up having to call the manufacturer and have one shipped to a local installer which was the 4WD shop I mentioned earlier. That was their first ARB bumper install on a ZJ so I got a pretty nice discount on the install.

People also seem to forget that just because they buy a 4WD doesn't necessarily mean it was meant to have all sorts of aftermarket stuff added to it, and during the time of the Bronco 2's and the huge lawsuits by idiots who don't know how to drive rolling them over, most of the aftermarket companies were bypassing them for making accessories as they didn't want to fall into any lawsuits either. Now, years later after the Ford Explorer and the rollovers and issues with them same goes for a few models and years there as well. Now the problem lies in here these vehicles are getting to be 20+ years old and with the sue happy country this country has become the offroad and modification people are left in the dust unless you have deep wallets and the ability to go seek out your dream vehicle or modify the original vehicle heavily to accept other vehicles' components there's not much a person can do without seeking the advice of an offroad shop.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

As time goes on natural selection thins the herd through wrecks, rust and abuse. Then as they are not the latest and greatest the demand falls with their popularity too.

The funnest part of my truck for me is the R&D of it (aside from when things just fall together) How this will work with that, how can I make it work and so on.

 

[1986fordranger]

for about two years . years ago i owned a 1989 toyota 4x4 with the 5speed and the 22re 4 cyl . i will say it was a nice little truck for what it was . although in my personal experience's with toyotas they are generally a pita to work on and they have major rust issue's . plus (atleast around here) they usually bring a premium price (for a decent one anywhere from $1000-$3500) . where as RBV's can sell for anywhere from $350-$1000 locally . i will admit toyotas do have alittle wider selection of aftermarket parts . personally i would buy another RBV over another toyota . but both trucks are good . just depends on what you want . at any rate . good luck with your next purchase

 

[1986fordranger]

I've also considered a Suzuki Samurai, thats even smaller and lighter than the BII, but I wonder about drivability

samurai's are nice little rigs . though they aren't the most powerfull vehicle in the world (66 horse power) . but are great for off roading and over all do well on the street . and can take it on the highways decently too . you just gotta remember your dealing with 66 hp so you will need to downshift when going up steep hills . plus they have tons of aftermarket stuff available . possibaly even more then toyota's . heres just a few companys off the top of my head that speciaize in samurai's http://www.rocky-road.com/samurai-spoa.html http://www.petroworks.com/ http://www.trailtough.com/ http://www.puresuzuki.com/samurai2.htm

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

samurai's are nice little rigs . though they aren't the most powerfull vehicle in the world (66 horse power) . but are great for off roading and over all do well on the street . and can take it on the highways decently too . you just gotta remember your dealing with 66 hp so you will need to downshift when going up steep hills . plus they have tons of aftermarket stuff available . possibaly even more then toyota's . heres just a few companys off the top of my head that speciaize in samurai's http://www.rocky-road.com/samurai-spoa.html http://www.petroworks.com/ http://www.trailtough.com/ http://www.puresuzuki.com/samurai2.htm

There was a guy on here awhile ago putting a OHV 4.0 in one of those, only 100hp more than stock.

 

[6.2]

Id love to get a zuk. im actually looking at getting one froim a friend. has a 1.6 from a sidekick, still only 80 HP, better than the 60 HP though. and will still be great offroad if geared right.

all the while getting 30 MPG highway.

 

[wildbill23c]

for about two years . years ago i owned a 1989 toyota 4x4 with the 5speed and the 22re 4 cyl . i will say it was a nice little truck for what it was . although in my personal experience's with toyotas they are generally a pita to work on and they have major rust issue's . plus (atleast around here) they usually bring a premium price (for a decent one anywhere from $1000-$3500) . where as RBV's can sell for anywhere from $350-$1000 locally . i will admit toyotas do have alittle wider selection of aftermarket parts . personally i would buy another RBV over another toyota . but both trucks are good . just depends on what you want . at any rate . good luck with your next purchase

I've noticed quite a few rusted old toyota trucks running around as well, and for being a pain to work on I guess it depends on which model, the older ones didn't seem that bad, the newer ones when they became Tacoma's then the tundra came out as well, or well any of the new vehicles you open the hood and you just close it because well you can't see the engine for all the wiring and other crap under the hood.

I like the old rangers and bronco 2's I grew up with Fords, and would have had a new ford but got a better trade in deal on my car at the toyota dealer so that's where I went plus the toyota ended up being cheaper than the F-250 I was looking at which I didn't need in the first place LOL. I'm thinking if I can ever afford a new truck I'm looking at a diesel as my next vehicle. I don't think I will be buying any vehicles anytime soon, that is unless I can come up with the money and it won't be a truck or car it will be an offroad utility side by side.