RBV's vs Toyota equivalent?

[wildbill23c]

I am not talking aftermarket, you break down in the middle of nowhere on vacation and you are either stuck there or in a rental.

The nearest Toyota dealer is over an hour away and in another state, since there are few Toyotas in the area the local parts stores don't much beyond filters for them.

The only thing I have had to get from a dealer for my old Ranger was the Explorer V8 badges. Starters and alternators (two of the biggest stranding failpoints IMO) are in stock at all three parts stores... and that is for a 30 year old truck.

If you break down and you want the dealership to come get you that's your problem, the dealership isn't supposed to come out to BFE and clean up your mess you got yourself into. That's why you have insurance with towing and depending on where you are even your insurance company's recovery truck probably won't go after you either when they find out you are xxxx miles from a paved road that's then on you to get yourself out of there. I've never had a problem getting parts for any toyota I've ever had to work on from the parts shop 4 miles from my house.

However, Toyota still seems to have better quality than quite a few other brands, the whole accelerator BS story was just that, its was BS, those accidents were the drivers pressing on the wrong pedal. If you've never driven a new 5.7L V8 toyota tundra go do so you'll quickly find yourself launching and a pretty fast rate, the harder you press the pedal the faster you go, obviously some people shouldn't be allowed to drive I've owned my 2008 tundra for almost 5 years now and at 62k on the odometer I've never had a problem with it, the only acceleration it does is when I press on the go faster pedal. At least the toyota's aren't dropping the gas tanks on the the road, or losing tailgates....FORD LOL. Nissan loves to eat rear differentials, and Dodge (Chrysler) automatic transmissions just well suck. My huge hate well on any vehicle really is all the electronics, and I think toyota's are the worst for their overly intrusive safety features, traction control, stability control, etc. Unless you turn them off the vehicle is useless in snow/ice because those systems cut the throttle to the point where all you are doing is just sitting there the wheels won't spin, engine won't produce power to get you moving etc. I've also heard a few cases where the newer fords are getting pretty bad as well though.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

If you break down and you want the dealership to come get you that's your problem, the dealership isn't supposed to come out to BFE and clean up your mess you got yourself into. That's why you have insurance with towing and depending on where you are even your insurance company's recovery truck probably won't go after you either when they find out you are xxxx miles from a paved road that's then on you to get yourself out of there. I've never had a problem getting parts for any toyota I've ever had to work on from the parts shop 4 miles from my house.

When the dealer is a long ways away not many people travel there to buy them so then there is little demand for their parts causing parts stores to not cater to them.

Up until recently we had dealers for the big three in town and not surprisingly that is pretty much all that littered the streets. In this fairly polulated area I would be surprised if there are more than 20 imported trucks of any vintage in town. Kinda pointless to stock parts for what doesn't come in the door.

It is going to vary by area of course but is how it is around here.

The only thing I pay people to do is alignments, bodywork and exhaust. Get me the parts and I can fix it, I don't expect or want it towed somewhere for some one else to get their grubbies on.

 

[trail B2]

85 Ranger I like your Captain and Commander reference pretty funny.

The 80's Toyotas Ive been around were good feeling on the road reliable great aftermarket support.You had to downshift when you see a hill not when you start climbing it.They are well loved though and have appeal.

If you don't like the 2.9 you'll get frustrated with 4 banger Toyota.When I put in my 4.0 and 5 speed I liked the Bronco a lot more it took away the struggling feeling that it had made it feel solid and sure footed.

 

[Ultraspontane]

85 Ranger I like your Captain and Commander reference pretty funny.

The 80's Toyotas Ive been around were good feeling on the road reliable great aftermarket support.You had to downshift when you see a hill not when you start climbing it.They are well loved though and have appeal.

If you don't like the 2.9 you'll get frustrated with 4 banger Toyota.When I put in my 4.0 and 5 speed I liked the Bronco a lot more it took away the struggling feeling that it had made it feel solid and sure footed.

Yeah, I'm super jazzed about getting the 4.0, M5OD, D35 and 8.8 swapped in the BII. Just have to save up the cash.

I've also considered a Suzuki Samurai, thats even smaller and lighter than the BII, but I wonder about drivability.

Anyway, one obvious advantage for Toyota is aftermarket support. How cool would it be if BIIs and Rangers had that level of aftermarket support?

 

[Rose2300]

Meh...
I don't see the Toyota reliability thing anymore myself.

I couldn't agree more. Their older rigs are more reliable than the new stuff, with the exception of the tacomas/4runners.

 

[Ultraspontane]

I read a headline today that said something like "Toyota expects to sell 10 million vehicles in 2013". It seems like they are hell bent on market share and volume, I wonder how the quality will be affected.

 

[Twister]

If you break down and you want the dealership to come get you that's your problem, the dealership isn't supposed to come out to BFE and clean up your mess you got yourself into. That's why you have insurance with towing and depending on where you are even your insurance company's recovery truck probably won't go after you either when they find out you are xxxx miles from a paved road that's then on you to get yourself out of there. I've never had a problem getting parts for any toyota I've ever had to work on from the parts shop 4 miles from my house.

However, Toyota still seems to have better quality than quite a few other brands, the whole accelerator BS story was just that, its was BS, those accidents were the drivers pressing on the wrong pedal. If you've never driven a new 5.7L V8 toyota tundra go do so you'll quickly find yourself launching and a pretty fast rate, the harder you press the pedal the faster you go, obviously some people shouldn't be allowed to drive I've owned my 2008 tundra for almost 5 years now and at 62k on the odometer I've never had a problem with it, the only acceleration it does is when I press on the go faster pedal. At least the toyota's aren't dropping the gas tanks on the the road, or losing tailgates....FORD LOL. Nissan loves to eat rear differentials, and Dodge (Chrysler) automatic transmissions just well suck. My huge hate well on any vehicle really is all the electronics, and I think toyota's are the worst for their overly intrusive safety features, traction control, stability control, etc. Unless you turn them off the vehicle is useless in snow/ice because those systems cut the throttle to the point where all you are doing is just sitting there the wheels won't spin, engine won't produce power to get you moving etc. I've also heard a few cases where the newer fords are getting pretty bad as well though.

You must have missed the countless numbers of people spare tires falling off or their trucks literally folding in half due to horrible rust issues. My friends dad bought a newer tundra, what a pos that thing is. He has gone through 2 rearends, a transmission and a transfer case. So their reliability can be questionable.

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[85_Ranger4x4]

85 Ranger I like your Captain and Commander reference pretty funny.

Thanks

Anyway, one obvious advantage for Toyota is aftermarket support. How cool would it be if BIIs and Rangers had that level of aftermarket support?

I would rather have Chevy aftermarket support, looking at/through the various available catalogs I think the hardest part about building a brand new truck from scratch would be getting it registered.

Really though, the RBV aftermarket isn't that bad and they are pretty adaptable if you want to get creative.

 

[wildbill23c]

You must have missed the countless numbers of people spare tires falling off or their trucks literally folding in half due to horrible rust issues. My friends dad bought a newer tundra, what a pos that thing is. He has gone through 2 rearends, a transmission and a transfer case. So their reliability can be questionable.

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Nope didn't miss a thing, the "Big 3" have had the same rust issues its just covered up because well they're supposedly "American" vehicles so most issues with GM, Chrysler, and Ford vehicles goes unnoticed.

I could care less about who drives what and why they drive it, if it gets you from point a to point b fine.

Which Tundra does your dad own first generation or 2nd? I know issues were rampent on the early first generation tundras which actually were the Toyota T-100's just redesigned to accommodate the V8 engines. I've got guys on the Tundra forum with 200k+ on their 2nd generation tundras and no major problems other than normal maintenance. The thing I hate is the overabundance of electronics, which is why I never open the hood on my tundra other than to check the fluids. There's nothing I can do to fix it if something goes wrong, same goes for any of the "Big 3" vehicles as well unless you are an electronics major there's nothing you can do to fix them unless its routine maintenance related or you have the $10k computer to hook up and diagnose every little thing, the little scan tools you can get a the parts stores don't come close to helping with major problems. This is why I got back into an old ford again, I can work on it myself, and I need a project vehicle I can mess around with whenever I want to LOL.

Toyota just like all other manufacturers started catering to all of the soccer mom, grocery getter, family crowds and started building glorified station wagons and filled them full of unnecessary electronics and safety features making the home DIYer a thing of the past unfortunately. I could care less if you drive a BMW, or a Yugo, they're all built with the family un-knowledgeable operators in mind now which is another reason manual transmissions are becoming non-existent. People are lazy.

 

[wildbill23c]

I read a headline today that said something like "Toyota expects to sell 10 million vehicles in 2013". It seems like they are hell bent on market share and volume, I wonder how the quality will be affected.

Just like any other auto manufacturer, quality goes through the floor as has every auto maker in the past couple decades. That's global sales I'm sure not just US. However if the economy gets any worse I don't think they'll come close to that number LOL.

 

[6.2]

Really though, the RBV aftermarket isn't that bad and they are pretty adaptable if you want to get creative.

really?

the RBV aftermarket is terrible from what ive seen.

 

[4.0B2]

I like 1st gen 4runners and would love to have one... for a trail rig. the aftermarket support is nice and can be made into really capable trail rigs easily.

I love my B2 tho...
idk about comparisons tho. I like them both

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

really?

the RBV aftermarket is terrible from what ive seen.

From what I have found if you need something someone makes it, at least for my old truck. I have no plans of owning a non ttb truck so I haven't really paid much attention to them though.

Lift kits, steering setups, suspension stuff, bodyparts... its all out there. May not have a huge beyond huge selection but there is quite a bit of stuff out there.

 

[6.2]

From what I have found if you need something someone makes it, at least for my old truck. I have no plans of owning a non ttb truck so I haven't really paid much attention to them though.

Lift kits, steering setups, suspension stuff, bodyparts... its all out there. May not have a huge beyond huge selection but there is quite a bit of stuff out there.

maybe theres more for the older stuff, but thers almost nothing for the newer ones.

lifts for 98+. only one, and its expensive.
no bumpers, no sliders, no nothing.

you gotta buy tacoma stuff and modify the mounting points to work.

i dont call that "quite a bit of stuff"

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

maybe theres more for the older stuff, but thers almost nothing for the newer ones.

lifts for 98+. only one, and its expensive.
no bumpers, no sliders, no nothing.

you gotta buy tacoma stuff and modify the mounting points to work.

i dont call that "quite a bit of stuff"

As I said, I don't care about and thus have not researched the newer ones. The only style I really care about and researched is the one I have. Very little carries over between the early TTB trucks and the 98+ trucks so our paths don't cross often in the aftermarket department anyway.

IMO lifting a SLA setup beyond a t-bar crank is polishing a turd. So it sits higher, it still can't flex and because you had to lower the diff so you don't shred the CV's it still has the same craptacular clearance... whoo-hoo. Makes the almighty bodylift look pretty good since it basically does the same thing for a lot less less money which is let you run unit-wheel bearing eating bigger tires. Save the money for a SAS, could be why there isn't much demand for a regular lift kit...

Jeep stuff is far more common to modify anyway (like for bumpers) Or you can use the brain muscle between your ears and make something better than you can get out of a catalog anyway and not have just another bolt on truck.