ranger 5.0 swap

[85_Ranger4x4]

agreed, having the body completely off is just about the only better option.
i am in the middle of a 350/sm465/np203 swap into a 1986 toyota pickup. my buddy didn't want to pull the 6 bolts and take the cab off at first........he called me a couple days ago with: "i should have listened to you man........"
room to work is your friend

Except you have no idea where to put the engine so you don't have to hack up the firewall.

Mine dropped in with the tranny just fine. The only thing I could have removed to make it go any easier at all was the front clip (wasn't a big deal) and the front axle beams to get at the nuts for the engine mounts. Major PITA snaking a mile's worth of extentions and trying to flop the wobble at the right time to snag the nut... while crap rains in your face. Jacking it up so they were at full drop helped, but they were still very much in the way.

Teddyzee, what factory 4.0 radiator is that? It looks a lot different than the first generation Explorer rad that I have. It just has the two pegs at the bottom like my factory 2.8 radiator.

 

[Teddyzee]

Teddyzee, what factory 4.0 radiator is that? It looks a lot different than the first generation Explorer rad that I have. It just has the two pegs at the bottom like my factory 2.8 radiator.

My truck is a '97. So, it's a '97, 4.0 manual trans rad. Probably the same from 1995 up.
I have a '96 Explorer 5.0 rad that looks very similar in size, but my truck runs very cold as it is.

Yes, those nuts for the mounts are very fun!

 

[Ozwynn]

Eveything you posted here is crap.. Same powerwise ? No, the V8 produces more torque. Heavier vehicle ? Not that you can tell, there may be 50-100 lbs difference. Less throttle response ? NO. Use more fuel ? Not much difference if any between a worn out 2.9/4.0 and a carbed Explorer V8. Mine gets 18 mpg highway without overdrive.

whatever ...... we have been through this round and round. fact remains a stock fuel injected engine will run circles around a carb'd engine of similar type. and I believe yours is a 2wd and doesn't see extreme angles and he is talking about a 4wd. you have a modified engine he has given no indication other than a stock engine

FYI ....... my 76 F-100 made 140 hp (never knew the torque) brand new from the show room ...... by the time I bought it in 1993 it dyno'd at 85 hp. and that was stock with a 2bbl carb. 91 bronco was 175 hp brand new.

less throttle response ..... again stock engine ........ dumping fuel on the fire as opposed to spraying it ...... hhhhmmmmmm



I have had carbs and fuelies ....... fuel injection is far superior........ if carbs were better then they would still be used on new cars.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

whatever ...... we have been through this round and round. fact remains a stock fuel injected engine will run circles around a carb'd engine of similar type. and I believe yours is a 2wd and doesn't see extreme angles and he is talking about a 4wd. you have a modified engine he has given no indication other than a stock engine

FYI ....... my 76 F-100 made 140 hp (never knew the torque) brand new from the show room ...... by the time I bought it in 1993 it dyno'd at 85 hp. and that was stock with a 2bbl carb. 91 bronco was 175 hp brand new.

less throttle response ..... again stock engine ........ dumping fuel on the fire as opposed to spraying it ...... hhhhmmmmmm



I have had carbs and fuelies ....... fuel injection is far superior........ if carbs were better then they would still be used on new cars.

I have never noticed a difference in throttle response between fuel injection and carb, they both seem pretty instantanious when you open the throttle.

When you dynoed it, did you pull it out and put it on a engine dyno like it was originally rated?

Like I said before, it should be no big shocker than engines of that period were dogs, they had tiny carbs, worse cams and next to no compression.

Carburetors still live on in great numbers where the EPA hasn't killed them (yet) due to their low cost and reliablity. Not too many fuel injected chainsaws, string trimmers or residential lawn mowers out there.

 

[baddad457]

whatever ...... we have been through this round and round. fact remains a stock fuel injected engine will run circles around a carb'd engine of similar type.

Try this: take a stock Explorer 5.0, replace the EFI with a Performer RPM intake, topped with a Hollley 570 SA carb, remove the choke assembly. Pull the distributor and replace it with the electronic distributor of your choosing. Park it next to an identical Explorer with the EFI system intact. Blind fold yourself, get someone to spin you around a few times then park you behind the wheel of either, then after starting it and driving it (blind fold removed) try and guess if it's got the carb or the EFI. You'll have a 50/50 chance of getting the right answer, but you'll never know unless you pop the hood. Both will run exactly the same. And both will get the same fuel mileage.

 

[Ozwynn]

Try this: take a stock Explorer 5.0, replace the EFI with a Performer RPM intake, topped with a Hollley 570 SA carb, remove the choke assembly. Pull the distributor and replace it with the electronic distributor of your choosing. Park it next to an identical Explorer with the EFI system intact. Blind fold yourself, get someone to spin you around a few times then park you behind the wheel of either, then after starting it and driving it (blind fold removed) try and guess if it's got the carb or the EFI. You'll have a 50/50 chance of getting the right answer, but you'll never know unless you pop the hood. Both will run exactly the same. And both will get the same fuel mileage.

again stock vs modified. your 5.0L is modified. the OP was talking about a stock engine. I did say he should atleast consider a cam and a 4bbl.

carbs have their place (nothing beats a carb for raw power in a gas engine), just not in a daily driver or a 4x4 that will see extreme angles.......

its like comparing an IDI diesel to a Direct Injected diesel.

 

[baddad457]

again stock vs modified. your 5.0L is modified. the OP was talking about a stock engine. I did say he should atleast consider a cam and a 4bbl.

Mine's not modified. It's a completely stock Explorer motor with the carb and ignition setup listed above.

 

[Ozwynn]

never new explorer V8s came with a carb

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

never new explorer V8s came with a carb

They also never came with 8.4:1 compression, very restrictive catalytic converters, nearly flat cams, and V6 sized 2bbl carburetors.

If you are going to compare EFI to carb, you gotta do it on the same engine.

 

[baddad457]

never new explorer V8s came with a carb

So what was your point in arguing about it?

 

[bobbywalter]

never new explorer V8s came with a carb

he gave you an apples to apples comparative.



i would argue, and wager where i live right now. a day like today, you could bring me 500 explorers equipped with a carb, and 500 with oem efi, and i could 100 percent tell which was efi and which was carb without even driving them. just starting them and putting them in reverse first run of the day.


and the carb would get about two mpg less all around...typical febuary conditions in my current location.

 

[gwaii]

i would argue, and wager where i live right now. a day like today, you could bring me 500 explorers equipped with a carb, and 500 with oem efi, and i could 100 percent tell which was efi and which was carb without even driving them. just starting them and putting them in reverse first run of the day.

this was my first thought.

warmed up and driving a well-tuned carb should perform with efi....but oh,those cold startups.i think about that all the time when i start up the f350 on a winter morning and right after taking my hand from the key it's in gear and on it's way.

don't get me wrong,i'm a big carb guy too....but those cold mornings can be a deal breaker.

 

[Teddyzee]

You guys are splitting hairs.

 

[baddad457]

Spring has "sprung" down here. We were in the 20's and 30's up until wee bfore last, then last week we were in the 60's and 70's all week. Trees are just startin to bud out.

 

[gwaii]

Spring has "sprung" down here. We were in the 20's and 30's up until wee bfore last, then last week we were in the 60's and 70's all week. Trees are just startin to bud out.

lucky bugger.they're calling for another blast of winter here.

but i agree that your comparison with the carbed stock explorer motor is fair against the efi one.most problems that people have with carbs is they don't get things set up right.i've had lots of carbs brought to me for rebuilds that were fine,but it turned out the ignition system had a problem.or a stretched timing chain.i find a lot of people want to blame the carb simply because they don't understand it.