PATS question

[Riq21]

I have a 2002 2.3 as stated and will be putting a 1999-2001 explorer 5.0 in soon. How do you make the PATS compatable with one being a B series and the other being an E series? Simple question, but one I have to have my head wrapped around before I can do the swap. Also, I want to use a 5 speed manual with this swap. What types of programming issues am I going to run into and how to you change the setting in the computer to deal with something other than an automatic. If there is a source for this information readily available, just point me in the right direction. I have been reading as much information as I can find on this swap and must say there are still some significant holes (questions) to be answered.
Thanks-Rick

 

[Teddyzee]

http://www.therangerstation.com/tech_library/5_0_swap_in_newer_ranger.html

PATS info is toward the bottom.

Article also states that your year Ranger would not have PATS, but I guess you are stating otherwise.

 

[Mac]

Yep, good article but controdicts itself in the PAT's chart at the top and the one towards the bottom. They should also show that none of the '05's have PAT's no matter which motor.
Dave

 

[Riq21]

Thanks for the feedback. I read the article and saw the anomole also. Does anyone have the definintive on this or is this just a dealer call.

 

[Mac]

Do you have the red blinking light on the dash before you start it? The pats key is larger, the black plastic portion is 1 1/8" wide.
Dave

 

[Riq21]

No blinking light, but the plastic on the key is about 1 1/8 or so wide. Read another article tonight that indicated that only 6 cylinder engines had PATS. Very confusing information out there.

 

[Jbrown1238]

I am currently collecting parts and knowledge for a similar swap (98 Ranger/01 Explorer w/T5 5 speed) I have decide to flash disable the PATS with a handheld tuner. Is that an option for you? Probably the easiest way around the PATS.

 

[Teddyzee]

Spend a dollar, have a blank key cut, and leave your big key in the house. See if the truck starts!

 

[V8 Level II]

The 2002 4-cylinder Ranger definitely has PATS. Below is the list as I understand it.

Ranger PATS by year:

1983~1998 - NO
1999~2000 V6 only - PATS
1999~2000 2.5 I4 – NO
2001 2.5 (early I4) – NO
2001 2.3L (late I4), 3.0L V6, 4.0L V6 - PATS
2002~2004 - PATS (standard for all Rangers, all engines)
2005 - NO PATS on any Rangers
2006 V6 only - PATS
2006 I4 – NO
2007~2011 - PATS (standard for all Rangers, all engines)

I have a 2002 2.3 as stated and will be putting a 1999-2001 explorer 5.0 in soon. How do you make the PATS compatable with one being a B series and the other being an E series?

To convert your Type E Ranger to type B, you would need to substitute the Type B PATS transceiver module to the column and add the Type B PATS Module under the dash and a few wires to interconnect them. Two more wires supply power from the fuse panel and another 2 tie into the Module Communication Network.

There is also a starter relay wire that needs to be grounded to make the starter work. In the original Ranger application, it goes through pin 28 (Dark Blue/Orange) of the 42-pin underhood harness connector on the way to the PCM. The Explorer PCM uses this same pin and color code for air suspension, so it needs to be disconnected between the 42-pin and the PCM in the engine harness. For simplicity, I just cut and insulated the DB/OR near the PCM connector, installed a ring connector on the truck side of the DB/OR and grounded it to the factory ground point near the center of the firewall.

If you get the modules, ignition lock and keys from the same Explorer donor as the PCM, then the whole PATS system should work together as is. Mismatched modules and/or keys from different donors would require "introduction" using a special dealer tool.

If you plan to transplant PATS or even if you don't, you should get the appropriate Ford Wiring Manuals or EVTMs for your truck and the donor. They will make your life much easier.

 

[Riq21]

Rwenzing:
Thnaks for the detailed explanation. This does shed some light. My blinking light must be out on the insturment cluster.

 

[V8 Level II]

The Theft LED in the 2002 cluster would not work after the swap anyway because the polarity is backwards from the PATS Module. Swapping to a cluster from a Ranger/Explorer w/Type B PATS should get it working though.

 

[Riq21]

Decided to get the entry key today as I only have one key for the truck. Machine at Home Depot recognized my key as a transponder key. Obviously, the entry key would not start my truck.

 

[rg2200]

Old thread, but wanted to post some info. I recently got a 2005 Ranger Edge 3.0 that only had 1 key. Called the Ford Dealership and then wanted $60 for the key and $60 to program. Seemed like the only option. I read a few threads on TRS that said the 2005 didn't have PATS, so I called the dealer to query about this - the guy said my truck had the PATS (his tone was like: "Of course it does, are you gonna take the Internet over me?"). So, today my son goes into the dealership (a different dealership that's closer to home, but quoted him $65-$75 for key and $65 for programming - guy cuts the key and charges him $39.95 and says there's no PATS system in the truck, so there's no programming required.

He said if he hadn't waited 1 1/2 hours to get the key cut at the dealership he would have told them to stuff it since he can get a key off the Internet (cut) for less than $25 (Wolf Security from eBay will cut the key from a hi-res photo - we ordered a 3rd key from him - $25 including shipping and cutting the key).

Local auto store (Canadian Tire) refused to cut a key, even though my son told them it was just for the door, in case he locked the keys in the truck - they said for liability reasons (what liability???) they wouldn't cut it because their machine sensed there was a transponder in the key.

So, it seems even though they didn't put PATS in the 2005 Ranger, the keys still have the transponders in them...

Anyways, just more support for good information off TRS.