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over 100K on engine-oil recommendations?


Yup, in repairs I have less than $1000 into my truck and I'm at 260k. Modifications on the other hand......

I use Penzoil 5w30 and a motorcraft filter, cheap and I always change at 5000km or befoer if I know I'm gonna be doing a long trip.

-andrew
 
I like the Valvoline Synthetic Blend. Have have always had good luck with that oil. I used to run castrol syntec but that stuff is rediculously expensive.
 
No, I'm not idiotic. I'm more concerned with cost efficiency. Take my ranger for example, I paid 1000$ for it, book value is about 2k for it. I have about 700$ into it. So in essence, if motor or tranny went, I would replace it (with a JY one). So once I hit ~1500 in repair bills, I spend no more on it. I wrench my own vehicles, so no keeping mechanic working. As for oil changes, my first ranger made it from 190k to 278k with only two oil changes, once evey 44,000 miles. I paid 400$ for the truck, it's not worth spending money on it at that point. My 2003 Ranger never got an oil change from me in the 43,000 miles it had before I sold it, and it ran fantastic. My mercury sable was purchased with 96k, rolled over at 152k, never changed the oil, just added. So, just think, if i would have bothered changing the oil in those ~180k miles every 3k. That's roughly 60 oil changes @ ~15$. Doing so would have costed me 900$. While adding oil as needed resulted in no loss of money. (just added used oil from a buddy wanting to get rid of it). All three vehicles ran great, only needed tires/brakes :icon_thumby:

Well, that lack of PM doesn't work most of the time. Most people will eventually get a dramatic increase in oil consumption, a big loss of power, or a valve train or head failure due to the amount of sludge packed up under the valve covers.

Maybe you can justify that on a vehicle that you paid so little for, but most of us paid a bit more than $900 or $400. In my case, I don't look at the cost of the vehicle itself as much as the cost of a comparable replacement. Replacing my truck with one in similar condition would cost me at least $2k if I get a really good deal. That's about 80-90 PMs for me. It would take skipping PMs for the next 10-12 years with no major failures as a result to make that a cost-effective plan. I kind of doubt that would pan out.

Then, of course, there's the whole loss of fuel economy as the power train slowly dies. The fuel will add up faster than the PMs.

If you had experienced an engine failure on your '03, warranty would not have paid a penny due to the lack of PM. It would be obvious to them as soon as they pulled a valve cover or the pan. Your first ranger would not have made it to 278k if you'd been the owner for the first 190k.

I don't like to get stranded. Tow bills, massive repairs, and replacement vehicles cost a lot of money that could have gone towards a reasonable PM routine. Plus it's just a big pain in the ass to be stuck.

I've drained oil from an engine (Cummins N14) that only got topped off for the first 180k of its life after a rebuild. Of the 40qt lube system, only about 12qt was still liquid. The rest had to be scraped from inside the pan and under the valve covers. As a result the engine had a cracked head due to overheat and was eating the seals out of a new turbo after 3 hours. We pulled the pistons (had to ream off a hell of a ridge on each hole) just to check the rings, damn near worn out. With a real PM schedule, those rings can last upwards of a million miles. All of the main and rod bearings had very high wear, and evidence of starvation and severe heat. #5 rod damn near spun. Cam bearings were worn out, cam lobes and followers were pitted all to hell, and the oil pump gears were blue. The oil filter probably weighed close to 50 pounds and had been fully bypassing for who knows how long. Final bill weighed close to $12k, which could have bought plenty of PMs without all of the downtime. Had the engine been maintained it would have still been under extended warranty from the overhaul.

Oh, and the radiator was rotted out from the inside due to never maintaining the coolant.

A little gasser motor won't put near as much soot and filth into the oil, but it also won't have near as much oil or filtering capacity to absorb the sludge. The filter is to strain out the abrasive particles that accumulate in the oil; once it fills up and begins to bypass, those abrasives will grind the engine away and chew up seals. Also, the additives in the oil have a limited lifespan when hot, after which they turn into sludge. The primary purpose of actually changing the oil is to get the sludge out. Otherwise it builds up around the hottest parts of the engine's internals and keeps them even hotter than usual, which leads to failure.

Do what you want, it's your truck, but for anyone else reading this thread, change the damn oil once in a while. 5k-7.5k is fine for the vast majority of drivers. If you do a hell of a lot of hauling, idle your engine for hours on end, or want to try longer intervals, get a few oil samples done to determine a safe change frequency. Samples are cheap.
 
I've always ran Valvoline conventional, or Napa conventional with a Motorcraft filter with no problems at all. I will not put any other filters on my vehicles. The way I see it, if it's Ford, you run Motorcraft, if it's Chevy, you run AC Delco, etc. My 04 had a Penzoil filter on it when I bought it, so I changed it and put a Motorcraft on it.
 
motorcraft

I enjoyed reading ati190's threads. He truly is the idiot ruining it for the rest of us trying to buy and sell well maintained used cars. But back on topic:
I found motorcraft synthetic blend in the store when I did this oil change. Figure I'll give it a try since I prefer motorcraft filters. I had to order a motorcraft fuel filter because nobody around here carries them. I'm not the biggest Ford fan but as long as I drive one I will use motorcraft.
 
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If I folloed that logic I would have junked my truck long ago, but I'm personally counciling him.

My truck is the ultimate expression of systematic parts replacement.

Anyone here bedsides me that can recite exactly how much is actually original on my ranger?

I'll give you a hint three of the pieces are riveted together
the fourth, fifth and sixth are bolted together AND in turn bolted
to the first three.... Yes, there are SIX original "parts" on my truck
(not assemblies, PARTS!) everything else has been replaced, most of it two or more times.

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I use Motorcraft synthetic blend 5w30 and matching Motorcraft filter. 250k can i hit 300k?
 
"Danger, Will Robinson, Danger!" Asking a bunch of gearheads about which oil/oil filter is best is like asking about gun control, religion, or who has the ugliest girl friend. Everybody has "the best" recommendation. If you're using a synthetic in your other vehicle, and like it, keep life simple and use it in your Ranger too. As far as oil filters, there are many good brands (Except FRAM - they have turned to crap!) to choose from (my preference is Purolator's PureOne).
 
N.A.P.A gold seem to have been getting good reviews lately.
 
Go with Motorcraft oil filters. They are about $3.50 each at Walmart. I saw 3 oil filters cut in half. One Motorcraft, one NAPA, one FRAM. The Motorcraft looked to be far superior in quality. Oil is a matter of personal choice; it shouldn't really matter if you do it every 3k miles and (I would) avoid generic oil or anything that's not SAE or API certified. I like to use synthetic oils for sub zero outside temperatures because of the colder pouring temperature, otherwise conventional seems just as good to me. Walmart sells 5 quart jugs of synthetic oil for $20 and conventional for $12. So in the end you spend $24 for a synthetic oil change or $16 for conventional. Just my opinion.
 
I,ve run valvoline forever. (Since I found out that Castrol foamed) Now they have antifoaming agents. But at that time the Porche race teams were using Valvoline and that when I started using it in my 240Z. But all oils have to meet certain standards and will work. I prefer synthetics now but I have had good results with Motorcraft synthetic blend. I sometimes have a problem finding Motorcraft filters since there are so many Rangers around here. I will then go to Wix filters. Wix use to make the oil filters for NAPA, Carquest and some other upper end auto parts dealers.

You know you guy may be too hard on the non oil changing driver. He may be making candles out of his oil pan trash to make enough money to buy his new beater.:icon_rofl:
 
AllanD

Outside frame rails, one crossmember, that I can remember. Im sure if I sat around I could figure out the others haha

I give you a :icon_thumby: for that ranger.
good work

ati190
 
My family has ran fram forever with no problems. Im thinking of switching to Motorcraft filters. How are the Mopar filters for my jeep I have never heard much about them?
 

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