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I'm not too sure about a 12 ga in the house unless it's very short, not because of the exteranl damage. Imagine walking down the hallway in the middle of the night with two dark doorsways on either side. Just see a problem swinging a long gun around quick enough. Any pistol I would prefer myself. Wouldn't have to be a large caliber big enough to blow a man's arm off, just enough to drop him and the next five shots to keep him down. Anybody got any advice on them Taurus Judges? Shoots both the .45 cal and the many different .410 loads? Load of buckshot at close range, just have to be close.
Dave
 
We keep an old 'berg Defender 500 close, loaded with turkey loads. Def. MORE than enough to put you down, do some col. damage, but put you down. That is the main thing that should be on your mind, IF you do actually have to use the weapon. DON'T be the guy/girl that "shoots to wound", because THAT can, and most likely backfire on you. We also have a couple of BFG's (Big F'n Dog) Great pyrenees and English Mastiff/Rot mix. Neither one likes strangers, and after the lights go out at night, they WILL be more than happy to run down/chew up/destroy anything that is new/strange in the yard, INCLUDING people... ask the Sheriffs' Deputy about that. He understood that it was his fault for NOT coming to the front door, instead of walking around to the back porch.
 
I'm not too sure about a 12 ga in the house unless it's very short, not because of the exteranl damage. Imagine walking down the hallway in the middle of the night with two dark doorsways on either side. Just see a problem swinging a long gun around quick enough. Any pistol I would prefer myself. Wouldn't have to be a large caliber big enough to blow a man's arm off, just enough to drop him and the next five shots to keep him down. Anybody got any advice on them Taurus Judges? Shoots both the .45 cal and the many different .410 loads? Load of buckshot at close range, just have to be close.
Dave

i know a few guys that have them an they rave about them. also heard though that the buckshot dont have quite the umph to full out stop a man but id assume the follow up .45 would.
 
true i had forgot that the missus would use it as well. the .40 is a great round.

on the missus note...what about a wheel gun a good DA/SA one is pretty dang simple to operate under stress and iv heard in most cases its all over in under 4-5 shots. say something like this?
http://www.rrarms.com/catalog.php?prod=G770130

I like EAA. My brother has this one:

http://www.eaacorp.com/handguns-witness-polymer-description.html

I've fired it several times, ran quite a few rounds through it and never fatigued. Was actually looking for one when I got my Sigma.

If the wheel gun is to be carried concealed, I'd get her a hammerless design. Less likely to get caught on something coming out of the handbag. I prefer DA in a revolver, myself.
 
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i know a few guys that have them an they rave about them. also heard though that the buckshot dont have quite the umph to full out stop a man but id assume the follow up .45 would.


Lol you wont need a follow up shot with a 12 gauge shooting 00 buck, maybe some 7 or 8 birdshot but that 00 bucks got about 9 steel balls the size of a 9mm bullet imagine that going into someone in a 8" circle. Im still voting the siaga semi auto, real russian made too, and you can get it in 410,20 and 12 gauge, best most reliable guns made are kalashnikovs, rack it back and your ready to rock n roll, in any gauge is only about 600 bucks, look at buying guns as investments, guns do not lose their value, and the way things are today you might wana get a couple, incase the shit does hit the fan. Also you ever hear of a tauraus judge? Its a very nice revolver chambere to shoot a 45 long colt or a 410 shotgun shell, pretty dam nice gun. I shoot one all the time.
 
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Lol you wont need a follow up shot with a 12 gauge shooting 00 buck, maybe some 7 or 8 birdshot but that 00 bucks got about 9 steel balls the size of a 9mm bullet imagine that going into someone in a 8" circle. Im still voting the siaga semi auto, real russian made too, and you can get it in 410,20 and 12 gauge, best most reliable guns made are kalashnikovs, rack it back and your ready to rock n roll, in any gauge is only about 600 bucks, look at buying guns as investments, guns do not lose their value, and the way things are today you might wana get a couple, incase the shit does hit the fan. Also you ever hear of a tauraus judge? Its a very nice revolver chambere to shoot a 45 long colt or a 410 shotgun shell, pretty dam nice gun. I shoot one all the time.

a siaga...not exactly a very compact shotgun and what Mac had refered to a few posts up is there might not be room to swing a shot gun in a house in somecases.
 
Hows a 16 inch barrel shotgun not compact? I own 2 or these and they are about 8 inches shorter then any "home defense" mossberg or winchester. Its about as compact as it gets.
 
Hows a 16 inch barrel shotgun not compact? I own 2 or these and they are about 8 inches shorter then any "home defense" mossberg or winchester. Its about as compact as it gets.

are the the out of box ones?

wait...IIRC...16in is a SBS an needs a BATF tax stamp thats $200
 
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Hows a 16 inch barrel shotgun not compact? I own 2 or these and they are about 8 inches shorter then any "home defense" mossberg or winchester. Its about as compact as it gets.

Uh, the legal length (Federal law, last I checked) is 18 inches. Overall is 26 inches butt-to-end of barrel.

You sure about that 16?
 
Sorry i meant 19, but its still way shorter then anything else, if you convert it by moving the trigger group forward and putting a normal ak stock and grip on it, it will shorten it 4 more inches, i dont know if your ever held or shot one but they are very nice guns, made in the same factory real ak guns have been made in since 1947, my mosin nagant even has he same ishmash marks on them as my new saiga guns. Pure reliable no bs russian weaponry, they way it should be!
 
Any pistol caliber can also be handloaded for lower velocities. It's not that expensive to do.

I was reading in a home defense mag that you shouldn't handload self defense ammo. There is no way to prove what kind of load you used, and by the pattern of gun shot residue there is no way to prove what distance you shot from if you end up in court. Seems to make sense to me.
 
Ugh who cares how far away you are? They dont give 2 shits what kind of powder you used or bullets? Never heard that one before?? What mag was it in?
 
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I was reading in a home defense mag that you shouldn't handload self defense ammo. There is no way to prove what kind of load you used, and by the pattern of gun shot residue there is no way to prove what distance you shot from if you end up in court. Seems to make sense to me.
That sounds a bit crazy to me... but I didn't read the article either. It shouldn't matter what sort of load you're using, it's not like you're going to load some +++P rounds and shoot someone breaking into a home three blocks down with a .45 pistol. Could such a thing be done? Probably. But I wouldn't advocate it.


As far as gun selection goes...

A shotgun makes a great equalizer, but as has been pointed out, it's not really a good weapon to be hiking through the house in search of an intruder with. Sure, you can put a folding stock on it and an 18" barrel, but it's still a long gun. If you're walking past a doorway and an intruder jumps out, it's still long enough that he can push it out of the way. That's why the recommend that if you do clear a house, a good way is with a pistol held tight against your side. That sort of grip is real hard to deflect and the gun can be quickly brought up to use the sights if a longer range is needed.

A shotgun is a good "barricade in the bedroom" type weapon. As in close the door, lock it, get down behind the bed with the shotgun leveled at the door and call the police. If the criminal kicks in the door, you blow him back out it.

I would not recommend "clearing" a house unless you've been properly trained in it.

The .45 auto has gotten a bit of a bad rap. Some people may find it difficult to control, especially in the old 1911 style. In the past few years I've gotten to shoot quite a few different handguns and I've been surprised by some of them. Just two weeks ago I got to shoot a Sig in .40 cal along with some other brand of .40 cal. I also got to shoot a 9mm Taurus (looks like the Beretta 92) and a Springfield XD-45 Compact. Surprisingly enough, the 9mm being the largest, it was almost as bad as the .40 cal pistols for recoil and muzzle flip. The .45 was the hands-down most comfortable to shoot, recoil and muzzle flip was no worse than the 9mm. In the past, I've also shot 1911 .45 pistols, a total titanium Taurus snub in .38, a Bersa .380, and a Taurus Raging Bull in .44 mag. The lightweight lil snubby wasn't all that bad to handle, no worse than the Bersa in my opinion. And the Raging Bull surprised the hell out of me, I expected serious recoil, but found it easier to control than a .45 auto. My buddy's girlfriend even got talked into trying it and was surprised to find that she could control it easily. The only problem was that it's a heavy gun (the owner uses it for deer hunting).
 
12ga mossberg with a 18in rifled slug barrel with scope next to the bed dont have to worry bout the stuff yall do just maybe some country boy bored and tryin to do some B&E. or if iwant to get crazy with it i got a 26in barrel with a moded choke and double aught rock salt rounds

Under any circumstance DO NOT get a scope for a freaking home defense shotgun... that just sets you up for fail... same with a 26" barrel... pain in the ass to maneuver though halls...
 
guess i got lucky. i always wanted to live in the country after being raised in the city. when i got here, i found 170+ acres at the end of a dead end road about 8 miles outside of town. only a few neighbors that i share the road with and we all kind of watch out for each other. and still, i keep my shotguns and other similar "tools" close at hand. i know there are crazies out there, but i refuse to be the victim of one of them. i suppose that's due to my years in the military.
just for the record, 3 shotguns, 1 center fire rifle, 2 small bore rifles, 1 small bore revolver, 1 center fire auto pistol, and enough ammo to get the job done several times over! they're all distributed throughout the house and garage and close at hand (but out of sight) no matter what i'm doing at the time. :icon_hornsup:

almost forgot... i also have a very good dog that knows this is her property too and challenges anyone who gets too close! hard to go wrong with a good watch dog!
 
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