2.3L ('83-'97) Misfire help


I hate to go the parts cannon route but the DIS module does most of the work with the signal so it could be the issue unless something in the computer is mad... I do have spare parts but not enough to share at this point, I think I only have one spare DIS module...
 
I hate to go the parts cannon route but the DIS module does most of the work with the signal so it could be the issue unless something in the computer is mad... I do have spare parts but not enough to share at this point, I think I only have one spare DIS module...
I just replaced the dis too I’ve been firing the parts cannon lol
 
At this point I would probably just pull the computer then pull the cover off and have a look at the circuits to see if there is a bad capacitor or any corrosion or something somewhere. This has to be a bad ground or a bad signal of some form...
 
At this point I would probably just pull the computer then pull the cover off and have a look at the circuits to see if there is a bad capacitor or any corrosion or something somewhere. This has to be a bad ground or a bad signal of some form...
I’ll check that out next
 
At this point I would probably just pull the computer then pull the cover off and have a look at the circuits to see if there is a bad capacitor or any corrosion or something somewhere. This has to be a bad ground or a bad signal of some form...
So I took the computer out and opened it everything looks ok this is the first time I’ve ever seen the inside of one of these
 

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I don't SEE anything wrong there at a glance, but I replaced a half dozen capacitors in a tv that showed no visible damage but also had 0 capacitance once removed from the circuit. I got the sounds back.
 
Erratic tachs on slightly newer rangers is simply a bad connection from the flexible circuit board on the cluster to the tach. There are metal spring clips that hold and make a connection to the circuit board on the back of the cluster. The tach and other gages get pushed into them.
 
what do you mean one and two aren't sparking? That's not how it works... it's a waste spark system, one side of the coil (with respect to the connector) goes to cylinders one and 4 and the other side to 2 and 3, both coil packs fire at the same time and the same cylinders should be connected to the same sides of the coil packs, the front and rear orientation doesn't matter. There's literally just separate ignition systems that fire at the same time, one on each side of the engine, from '89-94 during cranking only the passenger side fired but once running both fired.

If you have plug wires on the wrong spot on the coil packs that can definitely cause a misfire problem.

If there's an issue with the crank sensor usually they cause a stall when hot but there's more than one way to have an issue. I don't hear of too many issues with the DIS module, I've never had one...
So since your really really smart when it comes to these and I see you in every forum I’m gonna reply this to you first I did the timing light and the timing was jumping around everywhere advancing and regarding and just going crazy so replaced the cps and it was a pain in ass and it changed nothing so I’m lost now in need of help or a direction to go
 
Yeah, the crank sensor isn't the most fun...

There's a thing that the spark does that uses the spark advance at idle to smooth out the speed so the spark advance will go all over like that unless you pull out the SPOUT connector, it's a little grey jumper that goes into a 2 pin connector (it's behind the power steering pump I believe), that puts it in timing mode and locks the timing so it doesn't do that.

Unfortunately the diagnostics isn't great on these unless you do the flash codes (there's a thing in the tech section on an "analog volt meter" to flash codes, you can do it with just the jumper and jump in the seat and watch the check engine light, you only need a test light or analog meter for the early ones without that). In this case it would be really nice to hook into an OBD II port and watch the output of the MAF and fuel trim values but I don't know how to do that since these aren't OBD II...

That said the whole operating system on these is fairly simple, the crank sensor gives the DIS module an rpm with TDC marked, that sends a signal to the computer to fire the injectors which uses the engine speed along with the MAF output to meter fuel until it warms up then takes input from the O2 sensor to modify that. The spark advance outside of idle speed (like mentioned above) is modified based on a load table (from the MAF) with an rpm axis on the table. The fueling is using a "batch" method where the computer has two outputs combining cylinders 1 and 4 and the other pair is 2 and 3 so they both inject at the same time (similar to the ignition, same pairs, the intake and exhaust coils fire at the same time as well outside of cranking where only the exhaust side fires).

With all that there is room for there to be issues, metered air systems (those that use a MAF sensor) do NOT like vacuum leaks, my '97 got mad and didn't run right with just the hose to the fuel pressure regulator off but that was also screwing with the fuel pressure which changes fuel flow per millisecond of injection pulse...

As for what causes misfires, it's usually spark but with the redundant system these have that's less likely if everything has been checked out, there's also fuel which could be inconsistent fuel pressure from a bad pump or regulator or an inconsistent fuel injector or just a bad wire somewhere to the computer or a sensor... I would hold off on the parts cannon and maybe start with checking the fuel pressure or while it's idling grab engine related wires and start wiggling stuff.

On the erratic tach, if the engine speed isn't jumping with the tach then it could be something with the DIS module, however it works the tach signal is driven by the output to the intake side coil...
 
Yeah, the crank sensor isn't the most fun...

There's a thing that the spark does that uses the spark advance at idle to smooth out the speed so the spark advance will go all over like that unless you pull out the SPOUT connector, it's a little grey jumper that goes into a 2 pin connector (it's behind the power steering pump I believe), that puts it in timing mode and locks the timing so it doesn't do that.

Unfortunately the diagnostics isn't great on these unless you do the flash codes (there's a thing in the tech section on an "analog volt meter" to flash codes, you can do it with just the jumper and jump in the seat and watch the check engine light, you only need a test light or analog meter for the early ones without that). In this case it would be really nice to hook into an OBD II port and watch the output of the MAF and fuel trim values but I don't know how to do that since these aren't OBD II...

That said the whole operating system on these is fairly simple, the crank sensor gives the DIS module an rpm with TDC marked, that sends a signal to the computer to fire the injectors which uses the engine speed along with the MAF output to meter fuel until it warms up then takes input from the O2 sensor to modify that. The spark advance outside of idle speed (like mentioned above) is modified based on a load table (from the MAF) with an rpm axis on the table. The fueling is using a "batch" method where the computer has two outputs combining cylinders 1 and 4 and the other pair is 2 and 3 so they both inject at the same time (similar to the ignition, same pairs, the intake and exhaust coils fire at the same time as well outside of cranking where only the exhaust side fires).

With all that there is room for there to be issues, metered air systems (those that use a MAF sensor) do NOT like vacuum leaks, my '97 got mad and didn't run right with just the hose to the fuel pressure regulator off but that was also screwing with the fuel pressure which changes fuel flow per millisecond of injection pulse...

As for what causes misfires, it's usually spark but with the redundant system these have that's less likely if everything has been checked out, there's also fuel which could be inconsistent fuel pressure from a bad pump or regulator or an inconsistent fuel injector or just a bad wire somewhere to the computer or a sensor... I would hold off on the parts cannon and maybe start with checking the fuel pressure or while it's idling grab engine related wires and start wiggling stuff.

On the erratic tach, if the engine speed isn't jumping with the tach then it could be something with the DIS module, however it works the tach signal is driven by the output to the intake side coil...
You are such a wealth of ford information. I unplugged the spout already and it didn’t help anything it just slowed the rpm down and I replaced every vacuum line on it I’m getting so tired of it which sucks because I love my ranger :( if you have any other thoughts or thing I should try please help I’m almost about to just carb and disturber swap it I hate computers
 

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