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Lift laws, load of crap or real deal?


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Lift Laws, the real deal or just a crock? Especially New Jersey. So jersey members chime in please.
I stumbled upon a post about jersey lift laws and I definitely fall in the illegal category now. Now, I see a hand full of lifted trucks and suvs that I've never seen the tilt test sticker on any of them and I know most of them off road.
I read everything from cops not knowing anything about it, to park rangers impounding your truck. I haven't had any problems with my lift and 31s, but with bigger tires I'm going to stick out like a sore thumb.
 
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guess it all depends on what state you're in. they aren't so strict out west and here in the upper midwest. i'm guessing it kinda goes along with smog laws. lot of states don't have them and the ones that do are real pia's about it. just my $.02
 
My 87 ramcharger while in NJ was 3" lift with 35 12.50 15's. never had any issues with anyone about it.... my ranger is on 31 10.50 15's with 2" lift.
 
I know a guys with 38.5s on his f-250. and there was something about it would be needed if it was sold, but i never saw anyone get hassled
 
Yeah, of all the lifted trucks I was looking at when buying a truck, none of them had any lift stickers and they were all registered at the time. I'll just play dumb if I get caught, cause I don't have the time to get it done.
 
If you run a modified rig, my advise would be to find a local site dedicated to looking out for the little guy and that helps back up the little guy when he gets the crappy end of the stick by a law enforcement officer that interprets a law or act differently then another.

We have a pretty small wheeling population in my province (compared to California or something) but there's a ton of talk about guys getting screwed on our NB Offroad Club forum, and some of the members have started a 4x4 preservation site and deal directly with the officials to try and help rig owners that have been wronged.

It's not uncommon for guys to be pulled over with a legal rig, store-bought lifts, registration, insurance and provincial safety inspection in order, just because the cop sees something he 'thinks' that's unsafe. Several guys have had their rigs towed away and registration taken away. Often a new title is mailed back to them, a SALVAGE title.
Then they have to pay upwards of thousands of dollars to have their rig recertified by an engineer, who's not regulated and can do any type of inspection they want, for just about any price they decide to charge.

From what I understand, one poor bugger with a perfectly safe and legal TJ was stopped and was forced to have it re-certified. 2" commercially bought coil spacer lift and 31's.

The problem is the ways the laws are written, they leave a LOT open to interpretation.

I loved wheeling with the local jeep club, but it's not worth it if you're going to get hassled all the time. Frame rot made me get rid of my TJ, but the crap going on around here played a big part in my decision not to get another one.


If you love wheeling, I would suggest finding a good local group and get involved.... strength in numbers. if not, everyone will be blindsided when they start sliding stuff in and the public is caught with their pants down.

To give you an idea of the crap that we're dealing with in New Brunswick, have a read here: Link

Here's a link to a scan of the registered letter that guys are getting after being pulled over because a cop saw something unsafe on their rigs. To put it in perspective, one guy was stopped because his shocks were 'broken'. They were looking at the curved rubber dust boots. The cop that wrote him up didn't understand that the shocks were fine and the 'bent/broken' things he was looking at were just the accordion dust boots. Doesn't matter...once he's on the side of the road, it's all over.
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Very important to note....here we have a mandatory Provincial Safety Inspection (aka MVI). Every year, every vehicle registered in New Brunswick is subjected to it. Steering, suspension, tires, brakes, ABS, body, lights, wipers, horn, parking brake, seat belts, air bags, etc.
These trucks are registered, are insured, and have valid MVI's. But yet the police can pull them over because their shock boots are crooked and their rigs become paperweights until they pay through the nose to have them re-certified by an engineer, and cough up big bucks to pay for that inspection.


If you love wheeling, do NOT sit on your rump and wait for this to take you by surprise. Start preparing, and get your ducks in a row now.
 
I really wish there was a way to backcharge the police or whoever forces me to get a mechanical inspection for my costs once the engineer finds nothing wrong. There is nothing preventing the 1% of assholes in authority from picking on someone for perceived infractions of safety laws. Nor does there seem to be any oversight of inspection facilities. One garage in town did a salvage inspection on my truck and said he was going to fail me for a dent in the hood of my truck. The dent was the size of the palm of my hand, 1/4" deep, had been painted over at the same time as the whole truck was done prior to me owning the truck, and there was no safety issue [don't know if the guy was serious but I took him that way]. The problem with these laws is that everyone is covering their ass [afraid of being sued?], rather than being realistic. On the other hand there should be a way to get bad fabrication off the road!; http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=849050&highlight=bad+fabrication
Here's a link every one should read; http://www.therangerstation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78505 gcfishguy; With your permission I'd like to copy and paste your response into that thread.
Richard
 
I really wish there was a way to backcharge the police or whoever forces me to get a mechanical inspection for my costs once the engineer finds nothing wrong. There is nothing preventing the 1% of assholes in authority from picking on someone for perceived infractions of safety laws. Nor does there seem to be any oversight of inspection facilities. One garage in town did a salvage inspection on my truck and said he was going to fail me for a dent in the hood of my truck. The dent was the size of the palm of my hand, 1/4" deep, had been painted over at the same time as the whole truck was done prior to me owning the truck, and there was no safety issue [don't know if the guy was serious but I took him that way]. The problem with these laws is that everyone is covering their ass [afraid of being sued?], rather than being realistic. On the other hand there should be a way to get bad fabrication off the road!; http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=849050&highlight=bad+fabrication
Here's a link every one should read; http://www.therangerstation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78505 gcfishguy; With your permission I'd like to copy and paste your response into that thread.
Richard

Honestly, I'd prefer you didn't. Only because I'm just pointing back to the conversations in the threads, many by members I haven't met. For that reason, I'd rather not be quoted... especially on Pirate. LOL

Please feel free to link back to the scan of the registered letter, and/or the other link that points to the "Preservation Of 4x4 General Discussion" area of the NB Offroad Club site. Anything I mentioned, plus a ton of stuff I didn't, can be found in those threads.

Also, the link to their preservation site is www.4x4preservation.com
From what I understand, there was a lack of interest and participation on the 4x4preservation site, so I'm not sure if it's being maintained. Most people build and wheel, but only got interested in the preservation end of things when it directly involved them...and by then it was too late.


* the creator of that preservation site is a big Bronco guy and has lots of build threads under Boss's Builds too. Lots of good reads.
 
i know around here they dont do a GOD D@MN thing.hell my buddy gotta 06 f250 on
56" militarys and they dont say anythang he just lowered his head lights to the bottom of his bumper so he could see the road
 
A guy down the road from me has a 95 f150 that HAD 38's and a 10" lift, along with 2 transport stacks in the bed. Then 'The Man' said it wasnt allowed so now hes got dinky little 265's on it.
 
Hell, around here, IF it fits between the lines, AND under the 13'6" markers (bridges, powerlines, maybe the occasional traffic light), you get to DD it. WHAT lift laws??????
 
I was at college picking up my parking tags last yer and there was a guy complaining about how it had to be in his top window, he asked if he could put it on his bumper instead. The woman at the desk told him no because it has to be in a spot that's easily visable, and he told her that the bumper would be way better because his trucks nine six. I walk outside and there's a jersey plated truck that is seriously nice six sitting outside. Tall skinny tires with big rims. No lift tag on that either. Some people are just lucky I guess.
 
Honestly, I'd prefer you didn't. Only because I'm just pointing back to the conversations in the threads, many by members I haven't met. For that reason, I'd rather not be quoted... especially on Pirate. LOL

Please feel free to link back to the scan of the registered letter, and/or the other link that points to the "Preservation Of 4x4 General Discussion" area of the NB Offroad Club site. Anything I mentioned, plus a ton of stuff I didn't, can be found in those threads.

Also, the link to their preservation site is www.4x4preservation.com
From what I understand, there was a lack of interest and participation on the 4x4preservation site, so I'm not sure if it's being maintained. Most people build and wheel, but only got interested in the preservation end of things when it directly involved them...and by then it was too late.


* the creator of that preservation site is a big Bronco guy and has lots of build threads under Boss's Builds too. Lots of good reads.

Understood. I'll check the preservation site, thanks,
Richard
 

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