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2.3L ('83-'97) Hesitation problem


Otto57

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88
City
Michigan
Vehicle Year
1988
Transmission
Manual
Just finished rebuilding a 2.3 for my 1988 ranger. I used a roller cam and followers from a 94 2.3 and has a ported head with a holley 5200 carb. Currently set the timing at 10 degrees and no emissions crap and egr removed and sealed off. Truck runs great except it has a bad hesitation if I hit the gas hard but recovers quickly. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance
 
Is the accelerator pump shot adjustable in the carb?
 
Should be good. I bought a rebuilt carb on ebay. I'm wondering if it needs bigger jets. I did a vacuum leak test and all is good. Guess I will have to pull the accelerator pump to inspect it.
 
I did a 5200 swap on my '83. I bought a rebuilt carb from a company called Autoline. No matter what I tried, I could not get the truck to run right on that carb. I had the same problem as you when accelerating that I couldn't get to go away. I also had a nasty lean spot on tip-in. Cruising through town, 30mph, throttle barely open the truck would lean out and sputter, cough, and lurch. I cleaned it, rebuilt it myself, and noticed that there was epoxy in the primary bore. My neighbor is a retired mechanic and said that back in the day, people would send in cores that were not rebuildable or otherwise problematic for exchange, so when you buy from those places there's a solid chance you're getting someone else's problem child. That kind of made sense to me.

Anyway, I ended up visiting a local guy with a farmyard full of cars, and grabbed a Pinto carb from his stash for $20. It made a world of difference as far as being able to tune it. The lean spot is still there but it's not nearly as bad. I think the problem comes from the PCV system. The PCV should block flow at idle, then open at some point after the throttle opens. If it opens before the throttle pulls enough fuel through the transition holes it leans out. I've tried a few different PCVs but they've all been worse. There's an adjustable one available somewhere but it's expensive.

You should be able to see if the pump works by looking down the bore and opening the throttle. You'll see fuel squirt out. There's also three holes for the fulcrum of the accelerator pump lever. Those control how aggressive the shot is. Mine was initially in the middle and I moved it to the most aggressive spot and it seemed to help. The thought was that the Ranger is bigger and heavier than the Pinto, so needs a bit more fuel to help it accelerate. I can't remember if the top or bottom hole is the more aggressive one, but that info is on the internet somewhere.

If you haven't seen it yet, here is a guide for the 5200 carbs. I'm not sure how much you know about them but they are licensed copies of a Weber design that saw a lot of use in European cars, so info about the Weber 32/36 is applicable to these as well. Of special note is the initial setup, it's a bit different and the internet's opinion is that it's very important to follow that procedure. I was not able to set mine that way unless I did so without the PCV hooked up, but it should at least get things in the ballpark.

Good luck with your carb. When I swapped mine I was hoping to see better fuel economy and smoother throttle response. I'd say the throttle response has improved, but fuel economy is about the same as it was with the single barrel YFA. There's probably more tuning I could do with it but I'm kind of burnt out on it. Overall, the swap was a frustrating exercise and I probably wouldn't do it again. At this point I'm just happy it drives and runs decent enough to use.
 
Wow, thanks for all the great info. It runs and drives ok but I just wanted to get rid of the hesitation. Now I have something to try. Thanks again
 
No problem, hopefully it's helpful. If you dial it in maybe I can pick up a couple tricks to try with mine! What are you using for jets, air correctors, etc.? And what was the original application for your carb? Also did you leave the PCV system intact?
 
I bought the carb rebuilt on ebay. Application is for 2.3 pinto. I have not got inside the carb yet to check the jets but will probably go up in size. The pvc system is stock pinto. I'm starting to think that with the ported head, roller cam and header that it might need more fuel. I also have an aftermarket air cleaner and that could make it run a little lean. I will have to wait for the weekend to try it as I'm working 12 hours. I'll let you know the outcome. Thanks
 
What are you using for your ignition? If you have the timing fixed @10btdc, that is not optimum. The original Pinto with a Holley-Weber two barrel had a vacuum advance on the distributor. The secondary was mechanical and remained un-opened until pretty well into the throttle. If you go to WOT from a standstill, the secondary has no accelerator pump, and would likely cause stumble. If you are using a different carb, such as a Ford 2bbl, then the accelerator pump dishes into both venturis. You may want to check that the pump engages and starts squirt as soon as you move the throttle off idle. If the squirt is late, you will likely get stumble.
tom
 
Using stock distributor from 1988 ranger 2.0 with vacuum advance. The engine has ported head and roller cam and followers from 94 2.3 ranger with a header. Holley 5200 has aftermarket air cleaner. I believe it is starving for fuel at sudden wot . Otherwise runs fine at normal driving. Just hesitates at quick heavy throttle. Going to investigate more this weekend
 
Does the problem go away if you go to WOT at a higher rpm? On most engines, if you open them up for airflow, their throttle response will suffer at lower rpms. The reason the foreign engines with a lot of power when to multiple valves, getting the best of both worlds.
 
It does not matter when or at what speed. It only happens with a sudden hard hit on the throttle. Normal driving is fine
 
Then wtf is my distributor vacuum advance for?
 
Why would you think there is no vacuum to a distributor with a vacuum advance. It comes straight from the intake manifold to the vacuum advance. This engine does not have a big cam either. It is a roller cam from a 94 2.3 ranger. I still think this is a fuel issue.
 

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