H & R single-shot shotguns

[MastuhWaffles]

Thats about what Im looking for. The effective range differences between the two seem pretty negligible, while I feel the longer barrel will have its advantages.

The Pardner is $190 while the Tamer is $230, so I think Im going with the Pardner. If the 20ga is still too much for my tiny wife, then I'll look at getting a tamer in .410 I think.

Can anyone comment on the functionality of slugs in a full choke? I assume the smaller diameter would effect the slug velocity, but slugs are made of relatively soft metal, so they just deform to fit. Any comments?

Slugs are made to be shot through all chokes, but shooting through a full choke is not recommended due to the immense pressure from the small diameter of the choke and it just might nick the projectile, but that's just a myth, better safe than sorry right?. With a modified you should be fine, even though the accuracy will suffer a bit. But you can pick yourself up some rifled slugs or sabot slugs. But again, don't expect it to be super accurate or have an extreme range. And since it's a choke that can't be taken out, you are going to have more structural support.

 

[Surrey]

Slugs are made to be shot through all chokes, but shooting through a full choke is not recommended due to the immense pressure from the small diameter of the choke and it just might nick the projectile, but that's just a myth, better safe than sorry right?. With a modified you should be fine, even though the accuracy will suffer a bit. But you can pick yourself up some rifled slugs or sabot slugs. But again, don't expect it to be super accurate or have an extreme range. And since it's a choke that can't be taken out, you are going to have more structural support.

Obviously Im not expecting a lot of range, thats what a rifle is for...

I was just thinking slugs could be fun to play with, and wanted input on the effects of choke on slugs.

I guess no choke is the best for a slug? Does having a choke diminish accuracy due to the projectile having to squeeze through?

 

[MastuhWaffles]

Obviously Im not expecting a lot of range, thats what a rifle is for...

I was just thinking slugs could be fun to play with, and wanted input on the effects of choke on slugs.

I guess no choke is the best for a slug? Does having a choke diminish accuracy due to the projectile having to squeeze through?

Yes, no choke is the best. You know I don't know, I thought that with it being tighter is would increase pressure, giving it more accuracy and range, but that seems not the case. I'll have to go look that up. But yes, no choke is the best, if you have one a improved choke is the best out of them all. But modified is going to be right in the middle so it's not bad at all. A fun slug to use it the sabot. And you can make wax slugs which are cheap and fun also.

 

[Surrey]

Yes, no choke is the best. You know I don't know, I thought that with it being tighter is would increase pressure, giving it more accuracy and range, but that seems not the case. I'll have to go look that up. But yes, no choke is the best, if you have one a improved choke is the best out of them all. But modified is going to be right in the middle so it's not bad at all. A fun slug to use it the sabot. And you can make wax slugs which are cheap and fun also.

I am only somewhat familiar with the sabot... Whats the difference between them and a normal slug? I understand they have a jacket that falls off after it travels a distance, and I assume they are the better than regular slugs for long distance shots, but can you elaborate? One thing I read says they are only good at longer ranges, out of a rifled barrel (but I couldn't really tell if it was saying they are only good out of a rifled barrel AND at longer ranges, or if they are only good at longer ranges if shot from a rifled barrel - ie smooth barrels range isn't a factor)

Also, care to elaborate on the wax slug idea? sounds interesting, to say the least.

 

[MastuhWaffles]

I am only somewhat familiar with the sabot... Whats the difference between them and a normal slug? I understand they have a jacket that falls off after it travels a distance, and I assume they are the better than regular slugs for long distance shots, but can you elaborate? One thing I read says they are only good at longer ranges, out of a rifled barrel (but I couldn't really tell if it was saying they are only good out of a rifled barrel AND at longer ranges, or if they are only good at longer ranges if shot from a rifled barrel - ie smooth barrels range isn't a factor)

Also, care to elaborate on the wax slug idea? sounds interesting, to say the least.

Pretty much normal ones are a just shaped heavy lead, sabots are lead cored, or have copper jackets with a plastic sabot tip. Having a rifled barrel increases accuracy drastically but even without a rifled barrel they are more accurate.

 

[Surrey]

Would the sabot (the casing around the slug) cause problems being fired through a choke?

I was thinking the solid lead can deform, but the plastic casing on the sabot slug might just get stuck in my barrel?

Also, you didn't elaborate on the wax slugs (I am very interested in packing my own shells to save money)

 

[lone-wolf]

That is an interesting tidbit I never knew. I will certainly keep that in mind for the future...

Do you know of any cheaper guns also like that? A quick google search shows me guns worth like $2000 each
Being able to have a 10-shot semi auto that could have the same clips as my pistol is a very intriguing idea.

Unfortunately, not many.
The kel-tec su16 is under $1000 and can use the readily available 10rd LAR-15 pistol magazines(ar15 magazine)
I had one, and sold it, it felt like a toy that might break. It did work though, and was very lightweight.

The Benelli MR1 is under $2000 and can use the same magazines. Some like them, I haven't spent the money to find out.

That's all I can remember at the moment.

There's a person doing a conversion for the sks to use 7.62x39mm AR15 Magazines. There is one kind(that I know) of 10rd pistol magazine in this calibre, but all are sold out currently, more should be coming. I plan to eventually get a rifle converted, I keep selling my sks rifles and always end up with another one down the road.

There is also a conversion for the .223 vz58 to take AR15 magazines.

Here is the RCMP bulletin with regards to the pistol magazines being used in rifles:
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/bulletins/bus-ent/20110323-72-eng.htm

 

[Surrey]

Unfortunately, not many.
The kel-tec su16 is under $1000 and can use the readily available 10rd LAR-15 pistol magazines(ar15 magazine)
I had one, and sold it, it felt like a toy that might break. It did work though, and was very lightweight.

The Benelli MR1 is under $2000 and can use the same magazines. Some like them, I haven't spent the money to find out.

That's all I can remember at the moment.

There's a person doing a conversion for the sks to use 7.62x39mm AR15 Magazines. There is one kind(that I know) of 10rd pistol magazine in this calibre, but all are sold out currently, more should be coming. I plan to eventually get a rifle converted, I keep selling my sks rifles and always end up with another one down the road.

There is also a conversion for the .223 vz58 to take AR15 magazines.

Here is the RCMP bulletin with regards to the pistol magazines being used in rifles:
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/bulletins/bus-ent/20110323-72-eng.htm

Okay so it has to be a pistol magazine that works in a rifle, it cannot be actually designed for use in both.


2. Magazines designed or manufactured for both centrefire calibre rifles and handguns

Magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic rifle are limited to five cartridges. However, magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic handgun are limited to 10 cartridges. Magazines designed or manufactured for use in both semiautomatic rifles and semiautomatic handguns are subject to the limit of five cartridges.

Example:
Hi-Point rifle and handgun chambered for 9mm Luger caliber:

magazine capacities over five rounds are prohibited.



4. Magazines designed for one firearm but used in a different firearm

The maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the kind of firearm it is designed or manufactured for use in and not the kind of firearm it might actually be used in. As a consequence, the maximum permitted capacity remains the same regardless of which firearm it might be used in.

Example:
The Marlin model 45 (Camp Carbine) rifle chambered for 45 Auto caliber uses magazines designed and manufactured for the Colt 1911 handgun, therefore the seven round and eight round capacities are permitted. A similar example is the 10 round capacity magazine for the Rock River Arms LAR-15 pistol, regardless of the kind of firearm it is actually used in.

 

[MastuhWaffles]

Would the sabot (the casing around the slug) cause problems being fired through a choke?

I was thinking the solid lead can deform, but the plastic casing on the sabot slug might just get stuck in my barrel?

Also, you didn't elaborate on the wax slugs (I am very interested in packing my own shells to save money)

Well no, the sabot is shaped like a bullet and the plastic tip is pointy so in the least it wouldn't even come close.
Wax slugs are great! Here's the process on how to make them.
A: Get a shell and cut off the very top so it's open.
B: Empty out the birdshot into a container and keep it.
C: Take of the wadding and cut the knob off the bottom of it then stick it back in.
D: Heat up some crayons until they can be poured.
E: Pour the melted crayons into the shell while mixing in birdshot.
F: Make the top flush and put it in a cold place.
Once they get nice and sold take them out to where ever you're shooting in a cooler, load them up and shoot em.
Now they are not that accurate, but pretty good for what it is. They still pack a punch so they are still quite dangerous, it's just a cheap way to have some fun.
Now since you're getting a single shot that will make things easier, and will prevent cycling problems, because sometime's with pumps and auto's they don't like too, I really wouldn't go on shooting loads of them at one time, some wax will build up in the barrel. So after every time you shoot them, just make sure to clean the barrel. It's not much to really affect anything, and most of the time they really won't even leave buildup, but just to be safe. If you wan't to get creative you could try and shape it into a pointy tip, they are actually pretty damn accurate. Up too 75 yards.
The energy they transfer is just insane!
They make a awesome whistle sound when you shoot them too.

 

[Surrey]

Well no, the sabot is shaped like a bullet and the plastic tip is pointy so in the least it wouldn't even come close.
Wax slugs are great! Here's the process on how to make them.
A: Get a shell and cut off the very top so it's open.
B: Empty out the birdshot into a container and keep it.
C: Take of the wadding and cut the knob off the bottom of it then stick it back in.
D: Heat up some crayons until they can be poured.
E: Pour the melted crayons into the shell while mixing in birdshot.
F: Make the top flush and put it in a cold place.
Once they get nice and sold take them out to where ever you're shooting in a cooler, load them up and shoot em.
Now they are not that accurate, but pretty good for what it is. They still pack a punch so they are still quite dangerous, it's just a cheap way to have some fun.
Now since you're getting a single shot that will make things easier, and will prevent cycling problems, because sometime's with pumps and auto's they don't like too, I really wouldn't go on shooting loads of them at one time, some wax will build up in the barrel. So after every time you shoot them, just make sure to clean the barrel. It's not much to really affect anything, and most of the time they really won't even leave buildup, but just to be safe.

Isn't a sabot slug basically a bullet inside of a plastic casing/wrap?
http://www.howstuffworks.com/shotgun11.htm

I was curious about that casing thats supposed to fall off in flight and whether they would get screwed up 'cause of a choke, possibly leaving some behind in my barrel or whatever.

I like the wax idea. Although I think I will have to modify the strategy on making them, because I was thinking they would be a good cheap way of reloading.

 

[MastuhWaffles]

Isn't a sabot slug basically a bullet inside of a plastic casing/wrap?
http://www.howstuffworks.com/shotgun11.htm

I was curious about that casing thats supposed to fall off in flight and whether they would get screwed up 'cause of a choke, possibly leaving some behind in my barrel or whatever.

I like the wax idea. Although I think I will have to modify the strategy on making them, because I was thinking they would be a good cheap way of reloading.

Yeah, pretty much there just big heavy bullets. I don't think it would screw up with the choke. Yeah, when you reload you can do wax slugs for fun.

 

[Surrey]

Lmfao they make .50 BMG sabot slug... wonder if that's legal here (baret .50cal rifle is. I know a guy with one...)

 

[MastuhWaffles]

Lmfao they make .50 BMG sabot slug... wonder if that's legal here (baret .50cal rifle is. I know a guy with one...)

Yep

 

[Surrey]

Yep

I mean legal in Canada... A lot of the *fun* stuff isn't....

No dragons breath, no armor-piercing incediary, (Nothing incediary of any sort) bolo shot (two balls connected by a small wire) flechette... All illegal here.

I havn't looked into the less-exotic ones, like the super-Rhodesian (birdshot and buck shot in one) or the BMG sabot slug though...

 

[MastuhWaffles]

I mean legal in Canada... A lot of the *fun* stuff isn't....

No dragons breath, no armor-piercing incediary, (Nothing incediary of any sort) bolo shot (two balls connected by a small wire) flechette... All illegal here.

I havn't looked into the less-exotic ones, like the super-Rhodesian (birdshot and buck shot in one) or the BMG sabot slug though...

You're missing out! I buy those specialty rounds all the time, sadly I can only find them in 2 packs but man are they a blast. Incendiary (dragons breath) ones are pretty awesome, especially at night. Bolo rounds I haven't really found a use for, and I use flechette for turkey hunting. You can get jungle rounds and different ones that have mixed shot in them, since they are not too exotic. Can you even have less than lethal rounds? Like concussive ones and bean bags?