Gun experts/enthusiasts: ID these two guns for me?

[compleckz]

so i'm looking for some identification of these 2 guns, like what model/brand are they?

top gun is large caliber unknown maker, bottom one is very tiny caliber- and its a winchester

large caliber pics

small caliber winchester

any help is appreciated

 

[97BlackBetty]

Well im not to good with guns but that smaller one does appear to be a .22. My room mate also agrees and he has a lot of guns.

 

[Citoriplus]

The top one is a bolt action shotgun maybe a Marlin, they made a lot of bolt action shotguns, or Mossberg, the black plastic finger groove piece behind the trigger guard is a common charicteristic of their guns. I can't be sure of the models as they were made for a very long time under different model numbers by both makers. The model and caliber (12ga. 16ga., 20ga.) should be marked as a stamping on the barrel just in front of the reciever on the left (opposite from the bolt handle) side.
The smaller one appears to be one of the .22 Winchester rifle's meant for youth shooters, its a single shot, right? They were also made for a fairly long time and in good condition can produce acceptable accuracy. They were very inexpensive guns, but older ones can get a decent price these days if they are in very good condition. Unfortunatly that one isn't.
It should also be marked the same way on the barrel in front of the reciever with its maker, model and caliber, probably .22LR,L,S. Meaning it will take .22 caliber rim fire cartridges in .22 Long Rifle, .22 Long, or .22 Short.
Have fun, but don't try shooting either of them before you have a decent gunsmith check them over. They don't appear to have been cared for very well and may not be safe to use.

 

[mkpecor]

the bottom is a 22.cal bolt action and the top im tryin to find in my book, ill get back if i find it, look on the barle by the rear site it will have the caliber and make, it will be on both sides of barle.

 

[mkpecor]

the top is not a shot gun its probly 30.06, it has rear sites.

 

[compleckz]

Have fun, but don't try shooting either of them before you have a decent gunsmith check them over. They don't appear to have been cared for very well and may not be safe to use.

yea, they were hidden above a drop ceiling in my cellar for the past 13 years, and i don't recall them ever being shot in the 22 years i've been alive.. the guns belonged to my father who passed away 10 years ago, i think i'd like to restore the big gun.

i've had some help from another member who thinks the shotgun is a Mossber:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=93014443

looks very similar

 

[mkpecor]

it is a mossberg i just found it in my book.

 

[c_note]

the .22 looks like a cricket or a chipmunck. then again, it looks a wee bit too long.

 

[Citoriplus]

the top is not a shot gun its probly 30.06, it has rear sites.

Rifles, like a .30-06 NEVER have adjustable chokes on the end of the barrel.
So it HAS to be a shotgun of some kind and bolt action shotguns are far more common than most people think.
While their actions make them somewhat akward to use fast. They are simple machines that are inexpensive to manufacture while still being very strong, reliable guns. Checked out and cleaned up it should provide many years of trouble free service under even the worst of conditions.

the .22 looks like a cricket or a chipmunck. then again, it looks a wee bit too long.

I agree, its way too long for either of those two. but I don't think Winchester had a hand in makeing those models either. If I had to guess it looks like one of the "beginner" type single shot rifles that many companys, including Winchester, made back in the 40', 50's , and 60's. But like I said the actual make, model and caliber should be stamped into the side or top of the barrel near the breech end. There may not be a serial number as many makers of the lower priced .22's didn't bother putting them on rifles made before it was mandated by the 1968 Gun Control Law.

 

[compleckz]

thanks guys

 

[c1skout]

top one is a Mossberg with polychoke, I would guess 12ga since it's ported, but it could be a 16ga.

 

[Carlos Murphy]

Ports

The "slots" behind the choke are to reduce recoil, the company that started this mod is called "Magna-Port" and can do this mod on any firearm.
The relatively new Smith & Wesson .500 revolvers come from the factory "Ported".

 

[blackbronc]

The top is definitely a shotgun with the modified choke on it. The lower looks like a Winchester Target Master .22 cal. I had one a couple years ago very similar. They were produced for ages, I would guess it to be 40s vintage. They were about $15-20 new. Mine was very accurate. I used it for shooting mice at 20-30 feet with CBs. Almost always a one shot kill.

 

[RobbieD]

Mine was very accurate. I used it for shooting mice at 20-30 feet with CBs. Almost always a one shot kill.

Shooting CB's in a .22 makes for some fun plinking. With a rifle, from the shooter's perspective the firing pin dropping is louder than the report from the muzzle.


Citoriplus- good to see you around.

 

[Carlos Murphy]

BB caps

I bought a tin of 22 BB caps for shooting pop cans in my fire place once, 2 shots and I had to stop..... too damn loud!