GM 6.2 Diesel???

[rusty ol ranger]

A good running 351W, with a 4bbl carb and a Decent cam, with some modest gears (say 3.55) with an O/D trans would still pull up around 20 (if not a lil better) as long as you kept your foot out of it in a Ranger.

You cant judge a 351's mileage based on what they get dragging around a Club Cab 4wd 3/4ton with 4.11's and a C6, obvisouly its going to use a TON more fuel

I can see where your coming from will, with the efficency thing, but the extra cost of fuel ( Diesel is still 20 cents higher or so then gas, atleast here), the higher cost of filters, more oil at oil changes, having to run expensive oil, plus the cost of converting over, youd be just as far ahead (in my opinion) to run a 351W.

Besides all that, if i was going to use a "big" diesel in a Ranger it would be an Int'l 6.9.

later,
Dustin

 

[Beanmachine7000]

A good running 351W, with a 4bbl carb and a Decent cam, with some modest gears (say 3.55) with an O/D trans would still pull up around 20 (if not a lil better) as long as you kept your foot out of it in a Ranger.

You cant judge a 351's mileage based on what they get dragging around a Club Cab 4wd 3/4ton with 4.11's and a C6, obvisouly its going to use a TON more fuel

I can see where your coming from will, with the efficency thing, but the extra cost of fuel ( Diesel is still 20 cents higher or so then gas, atleast here), the higher cost of filters, more oil at oil changes, having to run expensive oil, plus the cost of converting over, youd be just as far ahead (in my opinion) to run a 351W.

Besides all that, if i was going to use a "big" diesel in a Ranger it would be an Int'l 6.9.

later,
Dustin

Unless you have all the stuff just lying around in your garage, then a diesel swap will more than likely cost more than just driving a gasser for a while... I think if you're going for extended driving ranger or a neat-o factor it's cool, but you'll more than likely be upside down trying to save money by swapping to a diesel...

 

[bobbywalter]

'Other' Engine Conversions All other engine swaps. Not for discussing V-8 swaps

most all understand this to mean the common v8 gassers i am sure, at least that is the way i have always taken it. but we have swap forums, hell this entire site is dedicated to improving and maintaining these things..but specifically these areas have to do with swaps....whether turboing or powertrain replacement ect.....


i have absolutely no doubt i can get 20 plus cruise mpg with a 351 or 302 in a low 2wd truck with tall gears and tiny tire. efi or carb...no problem.



i wouldnt suggest a bigger diesel swap n such a case either...and when i say "bigger", i would be starting with a 4bt and be going on up to psd's being bigger diesels.....that is alot of range but thats whats out there and REALISTICALLY DOABLE.

for the said 2wd case above a 3.3 cummins or stock(well, stock everywhere except the U.S) psd type ranger setup would be key. and potentially get twice the milage and easly pay for itself a few times over 100 k miles in a 4.0 truck. these engines can also be tuned to outperform most of the american factory offerings significantly which is only icing on overall costs....not something that has to be done...most importantly is alternate/combination fuel capacity.


and thats usually the defining deal too isnt it. COSTS.

just how the hell do you nail those down anyway? generally speaking nicely done gas v8 swaps cost 3-4 k and take months for the average diy guys.

but thats a huge variable.


fuggin huge variable is this whole rbv deal....how can you one size fits all a rbv?


one thing to remember is real low mile good running high power 275 plus hp 302-351's that run on pump gas and built for the daily grind are not readily available anymore. or rather were NEVER AVAILABLE ........

so your buying fresh rebuild or building yourself....

any way even if you do find a decent running take out ... who the fawk wants a sub 200 hp wheezer anyway? ohhh ohh sign me up?? right?

RIGHT?

sooooo where does that bring you for cost effective swaps that make sense over a 4.0??? because the reality i am in here is (this is generally speaking of course) good solid mid setups (say 275 hp) with stoutly built and or fresh trans (and t case if applicable) ect and basic freshen of the trucks they get swapped into...carb or efi are easily 4-5 k done "ok"... .

personally, i cant at will, build a 350+ hp 351 thats long life and somewhat able to get good economy for under 2500 bucks without careful shopping which is also time consuming, then i still have to get a stout driveline to back it. either way my best hope is 2500 for a complete ready to swap package.


yet....(again, this is generally speaking of course).... i can get a solid low mile late 5.3-6.0 setups radiator to t case outputs complete for 2500. thats pretty hard to beat.



i realize depending where a guy lives usually depends on whats the most cost effective thing to upgrade to. i suppose fresh 351 4 bbls with motronic ignitions with 250 dollar non smog intakes with fresh 700 cfm carbs making 350 hp and getting up to 20-25 mpg (IF YOU CAN ACTUALLY KEEP YOUR FOOT UT OF SUCH AWESOME NOISE) even if swapped in a 4x4 ranger!!!....

surely, these are falling out of the sky for 500 bux in some areas of the country. right?



more important to me then any of that shit is this, why do you need a powertrain upgrade.?.?.?.?.? or at least why do you think you need one?

this is the real thing to consider.

in my case, which is common here by the way and actually that of the original poster, i am asking to go past the capability of the 4.0. i have a large, heavy, 4x4, sas, daily driver that is multi use and for me at least 35 k a year of road, track, and trail passes under it.

no matter how hard you wish, a CHEAP 351 is not going to get 21 mpg in my rig. certanly a 351 is more then enough to have a blast in it though.....a 351 is an excellent engine for big trucks that dont tow like these rbv's, no one doubts that. also, in my particular rig efi is necessary but adds no costs.


MOST IMPORTANTLY


a 351 is not simply more inexpensive then a 6.2/6.5 N/A or a mechanical turbo diesel to swap into a big sas ranger. depending on goals it sure as hell isnt really any easier. i cant see a rational explanation for that claim that its easier and or cheaper

i mean...how can you come up with that?

HOW DO YOU KNOW ITS A HARDER SWAP??

seems a guy can still get complete cucv rigs for 1500 bux too or at least thier powertrains and spend maybe 3-600 bux putting all that shit in a ranger and end up with a rig that can run alternate fuels.

of course a na 6.2 is a turd compared to a 351. but nonetheless time in sourcing would be similar along with costs and swap difficulty in general.


swap difficulty is nill if your willing to run a 3 inch body lift, run an alternate steering box or relocate the oe unit, and mod the core for a good radiator.


so if cost and difficulty is so similar, its down to options and intended use.


i have performed/assisted in many engine swaps to these rbv chassis...from wrench a thons to straight out hire and drive three states away, and would expect only questions from those that dont do these types of things. when i started doing this there was no internet to parrot...and i am glad too. there is always as much bullshit in these threads as there is help it seems.

in the end it is simple

i am able to drive my rig daily again and i am pleased to have taken the time to install a diesel.


and for sure, its a old diesel. its noisy and stinky and rattles.... especially when cold compared to the gt40 spec engine it replaced. these things i have found to be acceptable.

others surely will not....

for a light 2wd strip street cruiser, or a dedicated trail rig, i for one would not use any diesel.


but for a heavy sas rig on 35's a 6.2 turbo backed by a well built 700 is a great choice. it will make a 351 look stupid and still pull 20 and have alternate fuel capacity

on a 2wd daily though, a vw/benz type td or a 3.3 would be ideal. though i have no experience swapping those yet in this appicaton.


the 351 is fine for anything else.....though a 5.3-6.0 would likely be more cost effective and time effective. thats not as much opine as the blatantly obvious either...




so to those that will reply in these swap forums i have to ask...



WHAT CAN YOUDO??????


what have you done???????????......that can help people attempting to swap or are gathering data to effect a successful swap???????????

 

[jaymegriffiths]

A good running 351W, with a 4bbl carb and a Decent cam, with some modest gears (say 3.55) with an O/D trans would still pull up around 20 (if not a lil better) as long as you kept your foot out of it in a Ranger.

You cant judge a 351's mileage based on what they get dragging around a Club Cab 4wd 3/4ton with 4.11's and a C6, obvisouly its going to use a TON more fuel

I can see where your coming from will, with the efficency thing, but the extra cost of fuel ( Diesel is still 20 cents higher or so then gas, atleast here), the higher cost of filters, more oil at oil changes, having to run expensive oil, plus the cost of converting over, youd be just as far ahead (in my opinion) to run a 351W.

Besides all that, if i was going to use a "big" diesel in a Ranger it would be an Int'l 6.9.

later,
Dustin

my dads friend has a 2003 cummins crew cab that got 22 mpg pullin our 25 foot 5th wheel, and with stacked boxes and over 500 horse, could easily drive circles around any 351 crew cab. now the question is, why? its been proven that diesel fuel holds considerably more energy per givin area, therefore, i stick with diesel. if someone can show me a 500 horse, 8000 pound pickup that gets 30mpg highway, ill forget diesel and start reading the v8 swap forum.

ps i wouldn't put a 6.9 where a 7.3(PS Turbo) could be for nuthin. not in a ranger anyhow, it would be very out of place. there very torquey and more usefully in a towing application.

 

[fastpakr]

my dads friend has a 2003 cummins crew cab that got 22 mpg pullin our 25 foot 5th wheel, and with stacked boxes and over 500 horse, could easily drive circles around any 351 crew cab. now the question is, why? its been proven that diesel fuel holds considerably more energy per givin area, therefore, i stick with diesel. if someone can show me a 500 horse, 8000 pound pickup that gets 30mpg highway, ill forget diesel and start reading the v8 swap forum.

If you didn't spout ridiculous 'facts' I'd be less likely to call you out for being on crack.

You're on crack.

 

[rusty ol ranger]

my dads friend has a 2003 cummins crew cab that got 22 mpg pullin our 25 foot 5th wheel, and with stacked boxes and over 500 horse, could easily drive circles around any 351 crew cab. now the question is, why? its been proven that diesel fuel holds considerably more energy per givin area, therefore, i stick with diesel. if someone can show me a 500 horse, 8000 pound pickup that gets 30mpg highway, ill forget diesel and start reading the v8 swap forum.

ps i wouldn't put a 6.9 where a 7.3(PS Turbo) could be for nuthin. not in a ranger anyhow, it would be very out of place. there very torquey and more usefully in a towing application.

Thats fine and dandy.

But i really doubt anyone (in there right mind) would hook a 25ft 5th wheel behind an RBV.

I dont know, ive just never been impressed with Diesels. Any Diesel. Sure they get better mileage, but i myself, am plenty happy with a Rumbling Gas V8 that actually starts when its cold and doesnt sound like a 1954 Oliver.

Bobby, not to disrespect you, or will, cause i really do admire the fact that you actually had the balls to attempt to do a 6.2L swap, but if i had the time, money, and want to, i could take a 351W, or a 400, and put in an RBV and do anything your 6.2L can do. Unless you decide to chip it and whatever else you crazy diesel guys do.

If i was going to build a Ranger, it would have a Dana 60 in front, a Dana 70 Full float in back, a built 400 under the hood, with a T18 and NP203 (or 205 whatever the gear drive one is) tieing it all togther, riding on 38's and painted flat black, and it would be a Reg cab/long box 1st gen.

later,
Dustin

 

[fastpakr]

Dustin, did you actually read Bobby's post and some of his questions to you? Because you conveniently ignored ALL the important things he brought up.

 

[Beanmachine7000]

my dads friend has a 2003 cummins crew cab that got 22 mpg pullin our 25 foot 5th wheel, and with stacked boxes and over 500 horse, could easily drive circles around any 351 crew cab. now the question is, why? its been proven that diesel fuel holds considerably more energy per givin area, therefore, i stick with diesel. if someone can show me a 500 horse, 8000 pound pickup that gets 30mpg highway, ill forget diesel and start reading the v8 swap forum.

ps i wouldn't put a 6.9 where a 7.3(PS Turbo) could be for nuthin. not in a ranger anyhow, it would be very out of place. there very torquey and more usefully in a towing application.

I'd like to see this 500hp 8000lb truck that gets 30mpg!!! Diesel or gas I'll take it...

 

[rusty ol ranger]

Actually i did, but i didnt realize he was poseing questions towards me.

What have i done?

Truthfully, when it comes to turning vehicles into something there not, im no expert, but i know enough to know that a 6.2L just isnt that great of an engine. They make what...150hp? 300 ftlbs? Even a stock 351 can match that.

later,
Dustin

 

[Beanmachine7000]

He might have been talking to me... I'm just saying swapping a good 4.0L for a diesel just for mileage sake isn't worth it... You'd be hard pressed to make the swap profitable for most people... Now, of course, if you have D60's and running big tires it's definitely worth it...

 

[bobbywalter]

He might have been talking to me... I'm just saying swapping a good 4.0L for a diesel just for mileage sake isn't worth it... You'd be hard pressed to make the swap profitable for most people... Now, of course, if you have D60's and running big tires it's definitely worth it...

in a 2wd, it would be hard to justify if the 2wd is equipped with a 4.0 and you swapped in a power matching diesel....i can agree with that. with a 2.3 truck, no way at all to justify it running pump fuel....at least not based on fuel savings..only if yo want a big power increase plus a lil better mpg to boot

in a 4x4 i would not be so fast. of course a good hopped up benz swap would probably be 10 k all farmed out, which is a total loser....but great power and economy in the end.

a 3-5 grand diy job brings it in to almost cost out..... but its a loser without alternate fuels being employed in the end....


if you go from 17 avg with a 4.0 4x4 to 35 avg at 2.00 a gal for gas and 2.80 for diesel its @ 2300 for gas and 1700 or so for diesel.... so 5-6 hundred dif on straight diesel if you run 20 k a year...not really worth it if a guy has a good running powertrain in a stock weight and height vehicle


thats for sure.

but if your shit is blowed up or worn out and total costs are figured, it is really an option to consider. most guys consdering swaps of anykind have clapped out end of life powertrains already after all.

so its reletive to an extent....






in any case i have a 6.5 not a 6.2. its still na. it is the 302 4 bbl of the diesel world. its mechanical injection.


my goal is to make it the 351 4bbl of the diesel world. its just a matter of me talking myself out of 700 bux to put a turbo on it. take me about 5-6 hours to do.

i play with alternate fueling options that bring my operating cost down considerably, and certainly my engine holds an extra quart over a gasser, but considering i add capacity to gassers anyway its a wash.


alternate fuel capacity is the big win for me, and most diesel swappers have intentions of that. if one fuels as i do then the swaps all pay for themselves easily.


and i didnt attempt a diesel swap..i just did it...


of course..3000 mile round trips to work necessitated it

 

[Beanmachine7000]

in a 2wd, it would be hard to justify if the 2wd is equipped with a 4.0 and you swapped in a power matching diesel....i can agree with that. with a 2.3 truck, no way at all to justify it running pump fuel....at least not based on fuel savings..only if yo want a big power increase plus a lil better mpg to boot

in a 4x4 i would not be so fast. of course a good hopped up benz swap would probably be 10 k all farmed out, which is a total loser....but great power and economy in the end.

a 3-5 grand diy job brings it in to almost cost out..... but its a loser without alternate fuels being employed in the end....


if you go from 17 avg with a 4.0 4x4 to 35 avg at 2.00 a gal for gas and 2.80 for diesel its @ 2300 for gas and 1700 or so for diesel.... so 5-6 hundred dif on straight diesel if you run 20 k a year...not really worth it if a guy has a good running powertrain in a stock weight and height vehicle


thats for sure.

but if your shit is blowed up or worn out and total costs are figured, it is really an option to consider. most guys consdering swaps of anykind have clapped out end of life powertrains already after all.

so its reletive to an extent....






in any case i have a 6.5 not a 6.2. its still na. it is the 302 4 bbl of the diesel world. its mechanical injection.


my goal is to make it the 351 4bbl of the diesel world. its just a matter of me talking myself out of 700 bux to put a turbo on it. take me about 5-6 hours to do.

i play with alternate fueling options that bring my operating cost down considerably, and certainly my engine holds an extra quart over a gasser, but considering i add capacity to gassers anyway its a wash.


alternate fuel capacity is the big win for me, and most diesel swappers have intentions of that. if one fuels as i do then the swaps all pay for themselves easily.


and i didnt attempt a diesel swap..i just did it...


of course..3000 mile round trips to work necessitated it

We agree there... When my crap goes kaboom I'll have a diesel ready for it... But, it wouldn't be cost effective right now for me to swap being that my 4.0L runs perfectly, and I don't NEED anything more...

 

[rusty ol ranger]

3000 mile round trips?

No offense but i wouldnt trust anything "home built" to make that kind of a trip.

I dont know, ill always be partial to my big gassers. If you like your 6.5L then thats your thing i suppose.

I just dont see WHY, all the extra work. But to each there own, and besides, basterdizing a ford with a GM drivetrain j/k.

Honestly, it is kinda cool, and has me itching to build some sort of a "rat rod" ranger, pieced togther with different parts and pieces, but it sure wouldnt be a diesel.

Maybe a Mopar V10 and a 6sp?

later,
Dustin

 

[Beanmachine7000]

3000 mile round trips?

No offense but i wouldnt trust anything "home built" to make that kind of a trip.

I dont know, ill always be partial to my big gassers. If you like your 6.5L then thats your thing i suppose.

I just dont see WHY, all the extra work. But to each there own, and besides, basterdizing a ford with a GM drivetrain j/k.

Honestly, it is kinda cool, and has me itching to build some sort of a "rat rod" ranger, pieced togther with different parts and pieces, but it sure wouldnt be a diesel.

Maybe a Mopar V10 and a 6sp?

later,
Dustin

I would trust something I built before I would trust a 20 year old truck...

 

[fastpakr]

3000 mile round trips?

No offense but i wouldnt trust anything "home built" to make that kind of a trip.

I dont know, ill always be partial to my big gassers. If you like your 6.5L then thats your thing i suppose.

I just dont see WHY, all the extra work. But to each there own, and besides, basterdizing a ford with a GM drivetrain j/k.

Honestly, it is kinda cool, and has me itching to build some sort of a "rat rod" ranger, pieced togther with different parts and pieces, but it sure wouldnt be a diesel.

Maybe a Mopar V10 and a 6sp?

later,
Dustin

You keep referring to 'all the extra work', yet somebody who's done both swaps tells you that it's no more difficult. What work are you referring to?