Gas vs Diesel

[85_Ranger4x4]

A diesel does NOT need 3000 mile oil changes. They are recommending 5000+ miles with oil changes now a days. You don't have plugs, wires, distributors, or other things to maintain. However when something fails it will cost a lot more to fix so save up your pennies for when it happens. Diesels also last up to 500,000 miles if properly maintained.

They also "recommend" 10k mile oil changes for gas vehicles because they run cleaner. The " " is because it is under very ideal conditions that most people never experiance. Diesels are the same story unless you run all day every day on the highway, most people don't.

Plugs last 100k miles, nothing hardly has wires or distributors any more. I change my 6 little quarts for $30 (filter included) every 4k miles, with Motorcraft oil and filter. No engine heater, no two batteries, no high dollar ubber high pressure oil pumps, no wintertime gelling when the mixing people get caught with a cold snap, no DPFE to screw up, no big oil changes, no exhaust fluid...

New diesels are a rube goldberg contraption in the name of emissions IMO, I won't ever hang a plate on one.

 

[brokemechanic3000]

Get a Excursion with the 7.3 diesel 4x4

 

[jkufen]

well i dont need 4wd and if i upgrade trucks id like to get a 5th wheel. i have read they are easier to pull.

 

[kryptonitecb]

New diesels are a rube goldberg contraption in the name of emissions IMO, I won't ever hang a plate on one.

Don't have to go new. Plenty of good condition used diesels out there for under $10k.

Sent from the road while ignoring traffic

 

[jkufen]

Yeah a guy i work with trade his 2001 dodge 2500 diesel for a 2012 dodge 2500 diesel and he says the older dodge got between 18-21 mpg while his new one is between 12-14 mpg. He says its all of the emission control stuff. I am looking at probably 2001-2005 in the dodges. But i agree you can find good diesels for less than $10000 and i believe $12000 will be my limit.

 

[4.0B2]

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...us=0&listingId=338815475&listingIndex=6&Log=0

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...s=0&listingId=339346212&listingIndex=24&Log=0

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...s=0&listingId=337559897&listingIndex=20&Log=0

they are out there.. you just have to find them, and be willing to travel for the right deal.

 

[jrpdash9]

Yeah a guy i work with trade his 2001 dodge 2500 diesel for a 2012 dodge 2500 diesel and he says the older dodge got between 18-21 mpg while his new one is between 12-14 mpg. He says its all of the emission control stuff. I am looking at probably 2001-2005 in the dodges. But i agree you can find good diesels for less than $10000 and i believe $12000 will be my limit.

He is right the emissions suck the mpg out if new diesels and you can go to 06 dodge and still get the 5.9

 

[jkufen]

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...s=0&listingId=339346212&listingIndex=24&Log=0

This is right up my alley! This would be perfect too bad its like 18 hours from me. I don't mind taking a day trip but that would be a 2-3 day trip. But that is exactly what I am looking at Dodge 2500 diesel 2wd! Good Find!

 

[Ozwynn]

1. I pulled a 12,000 pound 5th wheel over Jelico on I-75 in KY/TN area at 70 mph with a 7.3L powerstroke got 12 mpg avg the whole trip.....

2. If I had to do it all over again I would have bought a 351 gasser.

You want a diesel pick up plan on spending atleast $15,000. you are either going to spend 15k or more for a truck thats flawless or 5k on one that 10k worth of work or any combination in between.

If you do decide on on a diesel you want 2003 or older on Ford and 94-06 on dodge..... everything else has mega issues. Like the really hot girl at prom that a complete fracking psycho.

new F150 with eco boost can tow more than 11,000 pounds..... with a modern gas engine there is no need to have a diesel unless you're using it for commercial purposes.

My brother's Tundra pulled his 8000 travel trailer with no issues at 70 mph to Quartzsite Arizona and averaged 12 mpg for the whole trip and gets 16/18 beboppin normal driving and the fuel for it costs almost a dollar less a gallon.

I see no point for the OP to get a diesel truck unless he plans on making his own fuel then I recommend either a 7.3L idi turbo or a first gen powerstroke because either will burn any old oily crap you can put in the tank


the question you should be asking is what transmission do I want for towing what I got and how much cooling capacity do I need to keep the engine and transmission cool for the amount of work I plan on doing.... and then what gears are going to be best.

if you get a 7.3L powestroke you are going to suck down fuel unless you get 3.55 rears and atleast 265/75/16 tires.

 

[jrpdash9]

Wow 12 mpg ?!?!?!! Glad I went Cummins. That was a huge debate I had when buying my truck

 

[Ozwynn]

I have a 4:56 rear end on 235/75/16 AND e4od

 

[jrpdash9]

I have 3.73 with 265's and a automatic.

 

[MrRangerSir]

I've got an 89 E350 cutaway motor home conversion with a 7.3 non turbo. Gets 21 mpg. Not particularly quick, but who cares?

 

[bobbywalter]

1. I pulled a 12,000 pound 5th wheel over Jelico on I-75 in KY/TN area at 70 mph with a 7.3L powerstroke got 12 mpg avg the whole trip.....

2. If I had to do it all over again I would have bought a 351 gasser.

You want a diesel pick up plan on spending atleast $15,000. you are either going to spend 15k or more for a truck thats flawless or 5k on one that 10k worth of work or any combination in between.

If you do decide on on a diesel you want 2003 or older on Ford and 94-06 on dodge..... everything else has mega issues. Like the really hot girl at prom that a complete fracking psycho.

new F150 with eco boost can tow more than 11,000 pounds..... with a modern gas engine there is no need to have a diesel unless you're using it for commercial purposes.

My brother's Tundra pulled his 8000 travel trailer with no issues at 70 mph to Quartzsite Arizona and averaged 12 mpg for the whole trip and gets 16/18 beboppin normal driving and the fuel for it costs almost a dollar less a gallon.

I see no point for the OP to get a diesel truck unless he plans on making his own fuel then I recommend either a 7.3L idi turbo or a first gen powerstroke because either will burn any old oily crap you can put in the tank


the question you should be asking is what transmission do I want for towing what I got and how much cooling capacity do I need to keep the engine and transmission cool for the amount of work I plan on doing.... and then what gears are going to be best.

if you get a 7.3L powestroke you are going to suck down fuel unless you get 3.55 rears and atleast 265/75/16 tires.

have you ever pulled that same route with a 351?


i have. compared to my psd van, i would shoot a 351 in the face for impersonating what should be allowed in a man truck for a engine and shove it off a pier after i filled it full of piss..


running empty my e350 psd gets 19-23 mpg, and towing that route 16 mpg.

8 was what the 351 got. and that was in a 2wd 3/4 ton. empty was 12-14.

of course trucks vary with gear ratios/transmissions/states of tune.

but know this.
when i bought my psd van it had 556 thousand miles on it in 2002. its the most nutless of the psd but also the most reliable. nutless as it is relative to psd's.....it assrapes 351's and bitch-smacks 460's.

that shit cant happen with a 351.

2wd sux of course. i have had to use my ranger to rescue the van many times.


so my vote is old school cummins 4x4 ext cab truck with a handshaker.

its a winne win win.

 

[jrpdash9]

My dads e250 with 351 with 200k on it loaded to the top with tools got 17