F "ing" California

[ksum25]

Well I went to the local parts store today to buy some R-134 and was shocked to find out here in California we have to pay a $10.00 deposit per can on top of the price of the can it's self. So a 12oz can ended up being $26.00. and you only have 90 days to get your 10.00 back. I bought 2 cans hoping I could store one in my garage but f@ck that. This dam state is pissing me off more and more every day.

 

[BeaterMan]

I just couldn't resist myself

 

[59bisquik]

Yup... The Peoples Republik of Kalifornia is pretty out of control!

 

[Sasquatch_Ryda]

Well in British Columbia you cannot purchase refrigerant at autoparts stores.

 

[legoms013]

Yeah this is some bullsheet new law as of Jan 1st.

First I have to pay 4.15 for a gallon of gas, watch dudes swap spit in public, and now this stupid law with freon.

We live here for a reason though. The climate, weather and ease of accessibility to the Sierras & Ocean make it semi-worth it. Maybe just a slight hair beneath breaking even if you will...

 

[Moreflying]

It was a surprise to me too. I can't stand the regulations this state comes up with. I returned my can since I wasnt sure if I would use before the 90 days.

 

[DriverSideImpact]

You can't buy R-134a in Wisconsin unless you are licensed to do so (dealer/shop/etc). The state also requires systems must also be fully discharged (by a recovery/recycle machine) and checked for leaks. So you can't go into a shop and have them "top it off."

I wouldn't even buy any of that shit they sell in auto stores anyways... most of it has sealant and shit in it...and that can **** up your system. Especially if you add too much or if there is moisture in your system...since an average DIY guy can't really diagnose any A/C stuff on their own it's very easy to mess things up.
So instead of just getting that leaky hose or coupler fixed, and probably just replacing the system's desiccant dryer, now you are replacing almost everything...and that's if the shop will even repair your A/C. A lot of refrigerant removal/recover & recycle machines will get ****ed six ways to saturday if they get that sealant in them.
And yes, I have Mobile A/C certification (not a license to purchase R134), so I do know about A/C systems.

 

[4.0B2]

i know there are r-12 laws, but never knew anything about r134a laws. its easy to buy it here in MS, i was buying it at the age of like 14 for my b2 no questions asked. just pay and walk out. lol.. i couldn't move from MS to Cally.. i'd end up shooting someone or myself.

 

[Jason]

Yeah this is some bullsheet new law as of Jan 1st.

First I have to pay 4.15 for a gallon of gas, watch dudes swap spit in public, and now this stupid law with freon.

We live here for a reason though. The climate, weather and ease of accessibility to the Sierras & Ocean make it semi-worth it. Maybe just a slight hair beneath breaking even if you will...

Dude, if you have to watch guys make out in public, even in Cali, I am questioning the neighborhoods you are hanging out in.

 

[Jason]

I'll buy and ship as much as you want for a few bucks handling fee plus actual shipping. NY has no such fees.

 

[Napabandit]

I still have 2 cases of R12 in the garage. Topped off my 93 Ranger for the first time a couple years ago and it only took 1/4 pound. Had to find a couple friends to finish off the can in their older rigs. As long as I don't have leaks I'm not switching.

 

[Jason]

I still have 2 cases of R12 in the garage. Topped off my 93 Ranger for the first time a couple years ago and it only took 1/4 pound. Had to find a couple friends to finish off the can in their older rigs. As long as I don't have leaks I'm not switching.

Do you own a Suzuki Bandit?

BTW, r134a works fine. My cars had it from the factory and it is both cheaper and just as good.

 

[v8318cid]

R12 was good stuff in its prime. With the advances in the design of newer 134a systems, you can get comparable performance. R134a actually is colder at low pressure than R12 and can cool better as such, but only if you can deal with the heat it generates due to higher head pressures. Of course now that we've got most of these bugs worked out, they are planning on changing MVAC refrigerants again. HFO-1234yf by Honeywell. GM is contemplating changing over in 2013. Not sure where it stands now though.