EV accidents

[fastpakr]

No, I get it. You understand it's bullshit, but you're glad to pass the buck on responsibility when called out. No confusion here.

 

[cbxer55]

I dont care if they can go 1000 miles on a charge, get to 60 in 1 second and can float. Ill never buy one.

You dont get how dedicated i am to this.

You and me both, Pal. There is a lady I go to for haircuts. She drives a 14 or 15 Model S. So it will need batteries soon. Wonder what she'll do? Finance new batteries, or junk it?

A recent Gallup poll showed well north of 50% of current eve owners will never buy another one. A friend of mine, his brother and the borther's wife have MOdel 3's. They both said, "Never again" when it comes time for batteries. Don't these people do their homework and find out what is involved before putting themselves in debt for years? DUMB!!

 

[fastpakr]

You and me both, Pal. There is a lady I go to for haircuts. She drives a 14 or 15 Model S. So it will need batteries soon. Wonder what she'll do? Finance new batteries, or junk it?

A recent Gallup poll showed well north of 50% of current eve owners will never buy another one. A friend of mine, his brother and the borther's wife have MOdel 3's. They both said, "Never again" when it comes time for batteries. Don't these people do their homework and find out what is involved before putting themselves in debt for years? DUMB!!

If you took a moment to attempt to educate yourself, it's easy to learn typical life expectancy of these batteries. Your hair stylist isn't going to need another battery any time soon.

The irony of you thumbing your nose at others and suggesting they 'do their homework' is remarkable.

 

[97RangerXLT]

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T be honest, I dont think that running out of battery is a huge issue in most normal circumstances as long as the driver is aware of his current level of charge and a reasonable knowledge of how much the car will use to get to his destination and to a charger.

The biggest gripe I have is the replacement cost of a battery pack out of warranty, the availability of a battery pack that fits your car if you need one(take a look at electric lawn mowers, I know two people that have had to junk a perfectly good 2 year old battery powered lawnmower because the battery went bad and there was no available replacement nationwide. Planned obsolescence. And there is no good reason to have to junk a perfectly good 10 year old car because it costs more than the car is worth to replace the battery or because there is no battery available.

And let's look at infrastructure. We currently do not have the power grid that can run all of these chargers to keep all of the cars on the road if even 75 recent of the population gets an EV, that will take a few decades and billions of dollars. That does not even take into account the charging stations needed to support the EVs in private residential applications or charge as you shop.

If you want to see how badly this is all gonna go, observe California as they try to meet their 2035 deadline while they can't even supply enough electricity to keep the state running today.

To address the planned obsolescence of EVs not lasting much more than a decade there needs to be an easily removed standard form factor battery for all cars and light trucks. As in only a few hours of labor at most. Battery costs would then come down to a cost of an ice engine replacement at most.

If you want to look at a good example of what not to do, look at Tesla and what they did to YouTuber Rich Rebuilds.

And shield those electronics so that PJ can get one without losing testosterone!

AJ

 

[RonD]

40% of any new car buyers regret the purchase after 6 months or so, but that drops to 20% after a few years
But most of the regret is about spending too much and not shopping around for better terms or pricing, so not the "cars fault", lol

New cars are usually different than your old car so "you hate it", lol, but once you get used to it you start to like it
Wouldn't surprise me a bit that 50% if not more regretted purchase of an EV in the first year, its way different than the "old car", and they are expensive, plus the whole charging thing which is way way NEW to most people, we are a "gas station culture" and just used to it

90+% of current Tesla owners say they will buy another Tesla, brand loyalty I guess, which is why Chevrolet is still in business

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

If you took a moment to attempt to educate yourself, it's easy to learn typical life expectancy of these batteries. Your hair stylist isn't going to need another battery any time soon.

The irony of you thumbing your nose at others and suggesting they 'do their homework' is remarkable.

Federal law mandates they are covered by warranty for a 8 years or 100k miles. She is well out of that by age and if driving an average amount of miles per year she is well out of it by miles as well.

Moslty urbanites flock to EV's so she may be low on miles but it has aged out regardless.

Oems also have a capacity loss rating, IIRC capacity has to fall more than 30% within Teslas warranty period to be covered.

That old of a car... not implausible. Same for needing an engine or a trans if ICE.

I went there to put it into perspective for me, that 30% would by like my '85's 17gal fuel tank being reduced to 12gal...

 

[fastpakr]

It's certainly not -impossible-, just like any major failure on any car. But the statistics point to it being a very unusual case. Typical is more like a few percentage points of reduction in range over a couple of hundred thousand miles.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

It's certainly not -impossible-, just like any major failure on any car. But the statistics point to it being a very unusual case. Typical is more like a few percentage points of reduction in range over a couple of hundred thousand miles.

Current average is 12-15 years 100-200k miles. They do not last forever.

They are glued in and are a structural component in a tesla too... so hold on when the time comes.

 

[fastpakr]

Where are you getting those numbers? Outside of the 150k/8 year warranty, I'm seeing references to Tesla's internal tracking showing a mean of 90% battery life at 200k miles (https://www.motortrend.com/features/how-long-does-a-tesla-battery-last/) and a JD Power reference to 10-20 years (https://www.motortrend.com/features/how-long-does-a-tesla-battery-last/).

Agreed regarding the structural component question - I'm not sure what the current outlook is on replacing the cells when they're installed that way. Doesn't @ZMan do a lot of repair work? I wonder if he's done any training on that situation.

 

[DeathRanger]

Where are you getting those numbers? Outside of the 150k/8 year warranty, I'm seeing references to Tesla's internal tracking showing a mean of 90% battery life at 200k miles (https://www.motortrend.com/features/how-long-does-a-tesla-battery-last/) and a JD Power reference to 10-20 years (https://www.motortrend.com/features/how-long-does-a-tesla-battery-last/).

Agreed regarding the structural component question - I'm not sure what the current outlook is on replacing the cells when they're installed that way. Doesn't @ZMan do a lot of repair work? I wonder if he's done any training on that situation.

I find it interesting the people who know the most about EV's, are the ones who don't have one and claim they will never own one!!
Tesla is the only one doing structural packs at the moment and they just started this. so the majority of EV's on the road have a relatively easy to access battery pack.

I own 2 EV's and have more on order. I'm not getting rid of the Ranger's anytime soon. They serve their purpose.
If you drive a lot like I do, an EV is a no brainer money/time saver.


I've personally put 165,000 miles on a 2019 EV and it's only lost about 5% of range in 4 years.

 

[PetroleumJunkie412]

Rich Piana

Believe it or not, Ford guy.

Also had arms that rival pretty much anyone that was ever in the lifting world.

I tried one of his his "arms day" routines once - his was 8 hours of preacher curl / skullcrusher cycles, 30 minute breaks in between. I had nothing left in the tank after 4 hours or so, and hurt for a week. Couldn't do it.




Anyway, he never drove an EV.

 

[Blmpkn]

Huge truck, huge arms, button mushroom...



Ron Jeremy drives a piece of shit Saturn

 

[Snoranger]

Rich Piana

Believe it or not, Ford guy.

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Also had arms that rival pretty much anyone that was ever in the lifting world.

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I tried one of his his "arms day" routines once - his was 8 hours of preacher curl / skullcrusher cycles, 30 minute breaks in between. I had nothing left in the tank after 4 hours or so, and hurt for a week. Couldn't do it.




Anyway, he never drove an EV.

We get it, you like weightlifters.

 

[PetroleumJunkie412]

Huge truck, huge arms, button mushroom...



Ron Jeremy drives a piece of shit Saturn

Ron Jeremy is a convicted rapist.

We get it, you like weightlifters.

Somewhat.

It's more or less that I have yet to see one person driving an EV that has a test level above 750.

 

[RonD]

Blue whales have 8ft to 10ft penis's and 1ft diameter, each testes weighs about 150lbs
And they don't drive EVs either