emmission controls, why not motorcycles too?

[lil red]

you know, harleys are good for 2 things and 2 things only

empyting bank accounts(as some know HD actually stands for hundred dollars)

and keeping mechanics busy(i want to be a harly mechanic for just that reason,and there easy to work on)

 

[Jason]

I will not argue in this thread. However, can anyone provide any reputable information to even suggest that loud pipes are anything more than a performance enhancer or attention getter?

I ride. ALOT. I average 10k miles a year over the last 13 years and there is no fucking way that loud pipes do anything for a bike in reference to a cager other than annoy them. I rode all my bikes stock for the first 5k to get used to them then I mod like crazy. When that nice new Vance & Hines or Yoshimura exhaust goes on, nothing changes.

 

[OilPatch197]

There are emissions requirements for small engines. You will see more emissions equipment on motorcycles and other things with small engines in future. The US is actually behind in this. A handful of European countries, as well as Asian countries, are going to make emissions reduction mandatory in a few years.



It has nothing to do with driving skill, or the attitude of the person in the car. Due to size, motorcycles simply aren't as visible as cars, and in many cases, the dude on the motorcycle is not going with the flow of traffic.

Loud pipes aren't going to change much either. It is difficult to tell what direction the noise is coming from, and it blends in with other environmental noise.

The best thing someone on a motorcycle can do is use lighting.

LOL, my lawnmower is 'certified' for use in California!

On motorcycles...

Exactly, a pet peeve some JERK on a BIKE. It is NOT safe to roll down your window, some MORON on a Motorcycle has no muffler. All it is, NOISE POLLUTION.

It is not a saftey thing, if anything IT IS THE RIDERS job to pay attention to things around him, as he can move more quickly.

1. get F'ing mufflers on Bikes
2. Pass a law requring all Motorcylces, mopeds, scooters to be painted in "GAUDY colors"

3. and not just 'Bikes, but anyone on the road(like REDNECKS) that have open exhaust should be busted.

I was warned for a loud exhaust(was my dad's car) and I was going downhill and deaccelerating when I passed the parked cruiser, didn't fool him.

I have nothing against bikers, I think most look hideous. Nothing but "Harley Davidson" advertisers, with their made in China forks. lol.

 

[Shran]

Nobody take offense to what I say in this post. Or at least don't take it personally.

I live in Rapid City, SD. 30 miles from Sturgis (Sturgis Motorcycle Rally.)

All my life I've dealth with fricken bikers all summer long. Loud trucks, cars - whatever. 100,000 loud bikers - F*** THAT.

Bikers piss me off, to say the least. Not to say that riding one is a bad thing, I don't mind them at all in small doses. But when thousands of them descend upon your city, tear it up partyin and fightin, ride their loud ass shit by your house all day and all night, don't do a damn thing for the local economy, and then leave without so much as a thank-you, ya really just want to say F*** you, F*** your bike, and don't F***ing come back.

Rant over. Sorry. Quite a few people around here don't appreciate the rally, and most of the ones who run it don't even live here, so why the hell do they care?

 

[crbnunit]

I have ridden motorcycles since I could walk. My parents dated on a motorcycle. I have given up street bikes but still ride a KTM 520 EXC in the dirt regularly. If absolute top end high performance is your goal and you ride on the track, fine. Most tracks have noise limits now as well BTW. If you are riding on the street... Put a fricking muffler on it. We all realize it is just a desperate cry for attention. Fart cans, straight exhaust, open headers...

 

[Will]

My sons ATV has an EGR on it. It's not even registable as a motor vehicle. I think new bikes have some stuff on them.

But what are you fighting about? The law should be in pace to control emissions not to extract punishment. My chainsaw has no emissions device. There aren't enough saws in use to make a damn bit of difference. There aren't enough motorcycles either. Do what is necessary. But they will do more, trust me. Be careful what you wish for, as the saying goes.

 

[MAKG]

It has nothing to do with driving skill, or the attitude of the person in the car. Due to size, motorcycles simply aren't as visible as cars, and in many cases, the dude on the motorcycle is not going with the flow of traffic.

Bill, have you ever ridden?

Even if you're going with the flow of traffic, wearing neon green, have your headlights on all the time (as is law in California) and liberally use the horn, you STILL get cut off because people just aren't looking. It's not so much size as it is shape; a motorcycle doesn't LOOK like a car. You run into the same issue with FAR less severity on a bicycle.

And drivers these days seem ALWAYS to be on the cell phone, even on Hwy 17 (I think that should be a legal test of insanity). It's inattention.

I had one instance in college, driving with traffic downhill on Hearst Ave. in Berkeley, where a driver very slowly changed lanes right into me without looking, didn't notice the horn, and didn't make any correction until my passenger gave him a hard thump on the trunk llid with her fist.

A few weeks driving a motorcycle is a great way to work up the defensive driving.

Now, I make a point to notice motorcycles. It isn't very hard; one just has to remember how to turn and change lanes like we all learned in high school. As in signal-mirror-overtheshoulder-go. It's amazing how few people actually do this.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

My sons ATV has an EGR on it. It's not even registable as a motor vehicle. I think new bikes have some stuff on them.

But what are you fighting about? The law should be in pace to control emissions not to extract punishment. My chainsaw has no emissions device. There aren't enough saws in use to make a damn bit of difference. There aren't enough motorcycles either. Do what is necessary. But they will do more, trust me. Be careful what you wish for, as the saying goes.

New chainsaws/weedwackers do though.

 

[canyoncritter]

i think all humans should have mufflers too in case they fart.And outlaw beans cause those cause people to fart and it makes gas.

 

[Mac]

Think that 85 db has been the law for many years now, car, truck or bike. I never mind a little bit of noise above stock but some of the bikes that pass me really do give them a bad rap. When you can hear them a tenth of a mile in front of you is a bit too extreme. As far as emissions, think that California is or was trying to get lawn mowers to have cat. convertors on them. Briggs and Stratton is really fighting this one big time.
Hell, one time I almost ran over one of them little "Bug-eye Sprites". He made a quick move to pass on the right and if I hadn't have seen his antena, I would have been on top of him with my lifted F-100. Just got to be careful.
Dave

 

[Thumper113]

It isn't very hard; one just has to remember how to turn and change lanes like we all learned in high school. As in signal-mirror-overtheshoulder-go. It's amazing how few people actually do this.

That's for dang sure. So many inattentive drivers due to cell phones, changing radio stations, inserting cd's, texting, smoking, dvd players, etc.

As to the original topic.....................

My '06 Yamaha has a catalytic converter, EFI, oxygen sensor, tps, air injection system, fuel tank vapor system, pcv system, etc.

 

[lil red]

Bill, have you ever ridden?

Even if you're going with the flow of traffic, wearing neon green, have your headlights on all the time (as is law in California) and liberally use the horn, you STILL get cut off because people just aren't looking. It's not so much size as it is shape; a motorcycle doesn't LOOK like a car. You run into the same issue with FAR less severity on a bicycle.

And drivers these days seem ALWAYS to be on the cell phone, even on Hwy 17 (I think that should be a legal test of insanity). It's inattention.

I had one instance in college, driving with traffic downhill on Hearst Ave. in Berkeley, where a driver very slowly changed lanes right into me without looking, didn't notice the horn, and didn't make any correction until my passenger gave him a hard thump on the trunk llid with her fist.

A few weeks driving a motorcycle is a great way to work up the defensive driving.

Now, I make a point to notice motorcycles. It isn't very hard; one just has to remember how to turn and change lanes like we all learned in high school. As in signal-mirror-overtheshoulder-go. It's amazing how few people actually do this.

exactly, and the headlight thing is worldwide, legally, if a motorcycle is rinning, the headlight must be on, theres no way to turn it off.
and actually driving on my 6 hours, for my permit
i was going town one of my hometowns back roads, and see a giand groupe of bikes for my town(about 30 bikes
and i pulled off the road, the driving instructor looked at me like i had 6 heads
and i said, im giving them the right of way, thats the way i am

and there is performance, mpg, and SAFTEY gains to louder exaust on motorcycles, regardless of what you guys have to say
loud pipes save lives

 

[Jason]

loud pipes save lives

They don't. You will not be able to find anything acceptable source to say that it does. Search for "Hurt Report" for a start before you lead people into a false sense of safety with your Harley-rider-helmet-sticker advice. Please, do yourself a favor and really learn about motorcycle accidents and avoidance before you get yourself hurt.

 

[OilPatch197]

People with loud pipes are just compensating for deficeincies in other attributes. If anything loud pipes make me want to steer my car into you because you are annoying the rest of the world. Not to mention they violate many local noise ordinances.

If I was an officer, and I hear someone with loud pipes reving up at a red light, I would pull them over and give them the criminal citation for noise ordinance violation. I would not be suprised at the thumb ups I would get from everyone else at the intersection.

These loud motorcycles are illegal...for a very good reason. I am considering to conduct a intense campaign to get law enforcement to strictly enforce the noise ordinance where I live to get you wildly inconsiderate people off the road, or else ban motorcycles from this area altogether. Sorry to say that, I am not at all against motorcycles but enough is enough.

Loud pipes DO NOT increase safety - that has been proven. All that loud pipes accomplish is denying other citizens their rights to peace and quite.

Many of you motorcyclists are quite vocal about your “rights”, however as you ride your loud and ILLEGALLY modified motorcycles do you consider the rights of others to peace and quiet?

At least the teenagers with their loud stereo systems have the excuse of the stupidity of youth. I much prefer these highly annoying cars to these illegally modified motorcycles.

 

[crbnunit]

and there is performance, mpg, and SAFTEY gains to louder exaust on motorcycles, regardless of what you guys have to say
loud pipes save lives

Says the 16yr old with no license and no clue. Sorry, I don't intend this to be mean, you are just wrong. All loud exhaust accomplishes on the street is to annoy others and give our sport a black eye. That is TRUE whether be street bikes, dirt bikes, trucks or cars. Hell, even airplanes have mufflers. Every wonder why?