Do mirrors from a 10th gen f150 fit a 4th gen ranger?

[85_Ranger4x4]

I am, but I’m assuming you’re sitting behind a 4.0l with 8.8” axles and 410. Differential. With 4 wheel drive so you have a low range too.

You know what they say about assuming...

5.0, 31 spine Explorer 8.8 and 3.73's with limited slip.

Overloading the axle will hose the wheel bearings/bearing surfaces on the axle shafts.
Too much shock loading will break the shafts.
Too many one wheel peels will kill the spider gears
Spline issues... pretty rare. I have only heard of lunchbox lockers damaging them and that was only one and it was pretty recent.

 

[Blmpkn]

Are you from the Tacoma forums or something? It's not scary if you know what you're doing and work your way up to it.

About 8k overall (i.e. trailer plus cargo) is where it starts getting sketchy because these trucks tolerate about 500lb of tongue weight before they start getting sketchy and you don't really have a lot of wiggle room to reduce tongue weight before handling becomes unacceptable and with the trailer outweighing the truck 2:1 you can't really let it sway at all because once it starts you're basically along for the ride.

Someone who has a heavier truck than me (i.e. not a SCSB) and/or is willing to set up one of those fancy weight distributing hitches could probably do far more. Someday I'll probably put a gooseneck in. That would really help.

The limiting factor in practice is what you can do a hill start with if manual. I find myself starting out in low range a lot at the upper end and then shifting it into high at a several mph roll. Deeper gears would help too.

Loading/tow limitations exist for a good goddamn reason.

I've overloaded everything I've ever had.. I have NO personal issues with occasionally 'over-working' a vehicle.. but there QUICKLY becomes a point where a guy isnt doing anything other being a danger to himself and everyone else on the fckng road.. all because what? Macho manly man points? LoOk WhAt My RaNGeR Can Do! Too lazy to make another trip back and forth? To cheap to rent a vehicle for the afternoon thats big enough to move whatever it is in one trip?

Best case Ontario.. guy towing over the rated limit only muffs himself up along with his rig, trailer, and load along with a tree on the side of the road.. and then immideately gets told by his insurance carrier that they're denying his claim because he was.. well... being a jackass.

Worse case Ontario is a guy hurts or(God forbid) kills some innocent person because he was... Again... Being a jackass.

Real good way to ruin your life.

If someone needs to start in mf'ing low range to get their load moving, and then switch to high... Common sense dictates that load is way beyond too f'ing big for the vehicle. Sorry common sense ain't that common anymore.

 

[Blmpkn]

In my own defense, not that one should have to justify actions coming from mental illness, the way I mounted my spare tire up high right behind the passenger door makes it almost impossible to see that side of the trailer as you’re just driving down the road. If I make a small turn to the right, then I can see it, but I’d like to see it before I make any turn to the right. I can see the driver side, but just barely.

I think if the mirrors were bumped out about 10 inches, it would vastly improve the visibility of the trailer, and of course road safety. But I don’t want big wings on that truck ruining my careful design and aesthetics. That’s why the flip in and flip out appealed to me.

I’m also planning for when I build the converter dolly and add the second trailer……

2nd trailer.. when?! Glorious would be the only way to describe such a rig lol.. it's nearly a masterpiece already. She will live on in infamy for a good long while

 

[sgtsandman]

Rofl. This is the ********************** forum. If you don't want people overloading shit maybe stick to Jeeps and ducks.

Ratings exist to give you a picture of what you can "reasonably do" in "reasonable conditions" not what you can unreasonably do in carefully selected conditions.

Insurance covers being a jackass. If it didn't there would be no point in mandatory insurance. Use your ******* brain.

Stay jelly.

Regardless of what kind of Ranger you drive, we don't promote or support the promotion of things that are illegal, like towing over the rated limit of the vehicle in use. Getting caught doing that will result in a ticket, at minimum. Not to mention the insurance likely not approving the claim for the same reason if something gets damaged. What you do in your own personal life is your business but we will not support such activities on the forum or the promotion of such activities.

Not to mention the language used here. This is a family friendly forum and such language will not be tolerated.

 

[arse_sidewards]

Better now? I was too lazy to re-type it so I just covered up the language people didn't like.

 

[fastpakr]

Better now? I was too lazy to re-type it so I just covered up the language people didn't like.


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It’s about more than language.

Among other things, do you really believe insurance would even consider covering you if you cause an accident while hauling a load beyond what the vehicle is rated for? Best of luck with that in addition to any tickets/charges filed.

 

[arse_sidewards]

It’s about more than language.

The general laisse-faire attitude toward OEM recommendations and state rules perhaps?

Among other things, do you really believe insurance would even consider covering you if you cause an accident while hauling a load beyond what the vehicle is rated for? Best of luck with that in addition to any tickets/charges filed.

The distinction don't seem to be aware of here is intent. Insurance doesn't cover stuff you wanted to happen. Insurance covers the accidental, even if unlawful or negligent.

If I run you over because I'm on my cell phone and not paying attention it's covered. If I run you over on purpose because I hate you and ran you down, not covered. If my box truck blows up a federal building because I suck at hauling fertilizer, covered. If my box truck blows up a federal building because I stuffed it full of fertilizer and lit the fuse, not covered. If I mow down a bunch of people in New Orleans because I'm geriatric and hit the wrong pedal, covered. If I mow down a bunch of people in New Orleans because I'm an extremist and want to, not covered.

Liability insurance covers what you are liable for. Violating the law on overloading vehicles is no different than violating the law on speed or on how many beers you're allowed to have or whether you're allowed to use your cell phone while driving. As long as you weren't trying to cause an accident by doing so you're almost certainly covered by your liability insurance. Like I said, there would be no point in having mandatory liability insurance if they could just not cover people for unlawful activities, especially considering how much law violating is going on on the roads basically all the time.

 

[sgtsandman]

Ok. This subject matter has gone on long enough as it is. Get back on the original subject or it is going to get closed.

For liability reasons for the forum, things that are illegal can not be promoted on the forum

The general laisse-faire attitude toward OEM recommendations and state rules perhaps?


The distinction don't seem to be aware of here is intent. Insurance doesn't cover stuff you wanted to happen. Insurance covers the accidental, even if unlawful or negligent.

If I run you over because I'm on my cell phone and not paying attention it's covered. If I run you over on purpose because I hate you and ran you down, not covered. If my box truck blows up a federal building because I suck at hauling fertilizer, covered. If my box truck blows up a federal building because I stuffed it full of fertilizer and lit the fuse, not covered. If I mow down a bunch of people in New Orleans because I'm geriatric and hit the wrong pedal, covered. If I mow down a bunch of people in New Orleans because I'm an extremist and want to, not covered.

Liability insurance covers what you are liable for. Violating the law on overloading vehicles is no different than violating the law on speed or on how many beers you're allowed to have or whether you're allowed to use your cell phone while driving. As long as you weren't trying to cause an accident by doing so you're almost certainly covered by your liability insurance. Like I said, there would be no point in having mandatory liability insurance if they could just not cover people for unlawful activities, especially considering how much law violating is going on on the roads basically all the time.

Ok. This subject matter has gone on long enough as it is. Get back on the original subject or it is going to get closed.

For liability reasons for the forum, things that are illegal can not be promoted on the forum. What you chose to do in your personal life is your business.

Also, you might want to consider that the forum owner is a retired police officer. So, comments about licking of boots and so on are probably not in your best interest. It would behoove you to back off.

 

[arse_sidewards]

Plenty of current and former cops on sports car forums. I'm sure everyone follows the speed limit.

If he made it to retirement without an aneurysm I'll take that to mean he has some perspective.

I thought we were just bullshitting at this point. Did we actually establish whether the mirrors in question fit? Because I wouldn't mind an upgrade for my truck.

I just looked Ranger, 9th and 10th gen F150 up on Rockauto and the bolt patterns don't even look the same and the 9th gen has an extra cast boss. I think finding a mirror from an application that has a smaller all around mounting footprint and then making an adapter plate might be the better choice but I have no idea what application that would be.

Ranger:

9th gen:

10th gen:

 

[I support common sense]

Maybe not an exact fit, but that’s pretty doggone close. I’m sure it would be easy to make work and still have it look oem. I’m still not totally convinced in my head that one of those generations of mirrors won’t bolt right up to a ranger.

 

[I support common sense]

If anyone has actually added tow mirrors to their Ranger would they happen to have a photo? I’m also not sure if it wouldn’t make it look stupid like putting wings on a smart car.

 

[Rick W]

If anyone has actually added tow mirrors to their Ranger would they happen to have a photo? I’m also not sure if it wouldn’t make it look stupid like putting wings on a smart car.

I think I said it, but I’m definitely going to put wider mirrors on the Road Ranger. I’m 99% sure that will be putting the brackets from a first GEN on the door, and then using the L-shaped swivel heads on top that you can swing inward or outwards. This and I have to get the brackets from the scrapyard, clean them up and install them, so it may take a little while. I’ll make a point of finding this post and showing what I do when I do it.

That still leaves me with the old plastic bracket that are part of the window frame. I have two options on that, maybe three.

My preferred option is to somehow modify that for my wide angle/Blindspot mirror, if I could do it so it looks like it belongs there..
Second option is to just make a sheet metal or aluminum plate, and paint it the color of the truck and maybe put a graphic on it.
Third option would be to cut off the protruding part carefully, and reshape the majority that’s left to just kind of a gentle bump out by welding plastic in or maybe fiberglass. I think it was @Snoranger who cut a hole in the middle of his dashboard to put gauges in where the air vent was, and then he reformed the remaining plastic so it looked like factory. It looked great.

Again, I’ll repost when I get around to it, but it might be February or March, a few priorities in front of that

 

[I support common sense]

I think I said it, but I’m definitely going to put wider mirrors on the Road Ranger. I’m 99% sure that will be putting the brackets from a first GEN on the door, and then using the L-shaped swivel heads on top that you can swing inward or outwards. This and I have to get the brackets from the scrapyard, clean them up and install them, so it may take a little while. I’ll make a point of finding this post and showing what I do when I do it.

That still leaves me with the old plastic bracket that are part of the window frame. I have two options on that, maybe three.

My preferred option is to somehow modify that for my wide angle/Blindspot mirror, if I could do it so it looks like it belongs there..
Second option is to just make a sheet metal or aluminum plate, and paint it the color of the truck and maybe put a graphic on it.
Third option would be to cut off the protruding part carefully, and reshape the majority that’s left to just kind of a gentle bump out by welding plastic in or maybe fiberglass. I think it was @Snoranger who cut a hole in the middle of his dashboard to put gauges in where the air vent was, and then he reformed the remaining plastic so it looked like factory. It looked great.

Again, I’ll repost when I get around to it, but it might be February or March, a few priorities in front of that

Just start a new thread and link to it in this one.

 

[Rick W]

Ok. This subject matter has gone on long enough as it is. Get back on the original subject or it is going to get closed.

For liability reasons for the forum, things that are illegal can not be promoted on the forum

Ok. This subject matter has gone on long enough as it is. Get back on the original subject or it is going to get closed.

For liability reasons for the forum, things that are illegal can not be promoted on the forum. What you chose to do in your personal life is your business.

Also, you might want to consider that the forum owner is a retired police officer. So, comments about licking of boots and so on are probably not in your best interest. It would behoove you to back off.

A few thoughts on this forum, and on manners and respect in general.

Respect. Man is that an overused word these days, and amazingly nobody seems to understand what it means. People want to be respected, they think it is an absolute that they should be respected first, and they stand ready to fight until that happens. They entrench and don’t want to show respect to anybody else unless others bow down to them first. That’s not the way it works. To get respect, you have to give respect, and there should never be a conditional item or a moment before that happens. Respect doesn’t need to be “qualified.” it should be an absolute. We could all slip now and then, but if we’re reminded to be respectful, even if those aren’t the exact words, we should immediately wake up and realize we need to step up our engagement. Engagement, not resistance.

Participation in this forum is voluntary. While this forum is in the public domain, the forum itself is not a public entity. It is a privately owned Ranger support service owned by @Jim Oaks, with assisting forum moderators, administrators, and leaders. Everybody is welcome, but only on the condition that they are respectful of and to others, and providing they follow the few rules that the forum leadership has established.

Let me also say, the lessons we learn hard we learned well. I can be pretty rowdy, and the forum has clipped back my ears a couple times. It’s a learning curve, I deserved it when they clipped me, and I’m more respectful now. Not that I’m still not a wild man on occasions. I just do my wildness on my own time.

This forum is a gold mine and a godsend of information for people who like to work on their trucks or modify them or have problems keeping them running or who have liability problems, etc., etc. I don’t know if anybody’s noticed, but there’s more than a few lawyers looking for anything to make a buck who don’t care about respect or what’s fair, just what they can get away with and get rich with in court. The forum has to have an iron hand over anything presented in the forum that could be a liability to members in the forum, and therefore liability for the forum. I’ve been on this forum for a few thousand tweets, and I’ve only heard from the forum moderators six or eight times in years. But when they speak up, people should listen, and if they want to continue to participate, frankly, they have to listen. Liability items are not a matter of debate when you’re using a private forum.

Back to the respect thing. There are tens of thousands of people who participate in this forum. My experience is virtually everyone will give you the shirt off their back if you need help with something. There’s little or no hostility, except a little offered in jest. Maintaining that atmosphere doesn’t just happen, especially in today’s day and age. All communication and posts should start from a position of humility and respect, and then be followed by an intelligent interaction, not something people, one person, may feel is offensive, and certainly not confrontational or in conflict with the forum guidelines. I’ve learned everyone on the forum, appreciates a probing joke every now and then, but foul language in general is not tolerated.

Now, if you’re getting your advice on how to live your life from me, you’re in pretty deep trouble anyway. But I’ve learned a couple things in 70 years. This is a good thing. Everybody is welcome to join and participate. And benefit. But if you press an opinion regarding how it’s managed or use methods that are offensive to other forum members, maybe this just isn’t the place for you.

Just my two cents, for what it may matter.

 

[I support common sense]

And so ends the discussion on mirror swaps.