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diesel ranger convertions?


Ya know, I wasn't calling you a liar before, but with your obvious penchant for exaggeration I will now.

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The only way I'd believe 100hp over stock on a 2.3liter
mitsubishi turbo diesel is if I were watching the dyno run with god
almighty certifying the dyno calibration.


OR I could watch the truck run in the quarter.

Your claims are way too much to take at face value out of the clear blue sky.

Atleast try to be believable.


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Obviously, since you're not capable of achieving such numbers due to (insert your degree of ineptness here), anyone that does is a liar?
If you want (or are capable) go to MightyD50.com and check out some of the wild numbers a couple guys are turning. Makes mine look like ameteur hour.
I suppose you don't believe the guys with a 5.9 Cummins putting out over 700 hp. either?
Oh well, I'll just let you go play in your sandbox, Skippy, when you grow up and figure out how to build power, come back and see me!
 
Please don't tell me about internet braging sites that have no basis in reality.

I've seen a guy claim to be getting 450hp out of his 3.1liter Chevy Lumina on the stock trans. Ain't buyin that one either

And it's not about ineptness, it's about physical possibility

I believe that many engines can be "pumped up" but I know that even with head studs and O-ringing the block that the Mitsubishi can't contain that much pressure.
the guy I knew that had one, who was a very competent diesel mechanic regarded keeping his running to be a challenge... stock power level it kept sneezing gaskets until he O-ringed the head.

The Dodge Cummins has an IRON cylinder head and it's a MUCH more robust construction.

I'd unquestioningly believe you if you claimed your numbers out of a 4BT,
but a 2.3liter Mitsu 4D55?

If you claimed to have "pumped up" a Nissan SD25 that I could believe. (the SD25 made narly the same power as the 2.3 Mitsu WITHOUT a turbocharger)

~190hp from a 4BT cummins would be childs play.

I'd say BS if you made similar claims for a Toyota L22 engine

where I really have an issue with your claims in light of your earlier
reply in this topic where you claimed to get 45mpg from the same engine...

And that I find equally difficult to believe in light if my experiences with VW, Nissan, Toyota and Isuzu Diesel engines in compact pickup trucks.


Oh, and BTW, that famous Cummins that makes 900hp and is the current street legal land speed record holder at Bonneville?

If I recall correctly that truck runs a hefty dose of Nitrous Oxide.
 
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I'm not talking about hurting the Ranger, I'm talking about driving it. Steering and braking. plus the transmission weight, oil, coolant, etc. Driving it in the snow would be a chore, a panic stop might also make it do some interesting things. These are my concerns, I've mentioned them, I never told you to heed them.

I'm not knocking the 3.3. The 3.3 wouldn't hurt the ranger at all, as it's marginally heavier than an all cast iron 302 (as you had mentioned). An engine beating a 2.3 or a 3.0 wouldn't take much. My comments about the issues regarding weight were directed toward the 6.5 swap. No ill will has been about the 3.3 at all, relax about that. As far as I'm concerned that was a pretty neat and doable swap.

My perception of weight vs power is the weight of a big block or in some cases more than a big block and still HP slightly less or equal to that of a 4cyl gasser. Yes you can tune them up to staggering numbers but I shake my head at the things like doubling or close to tripling the HP and doubling the torque. I think that if that was a safe and good idea the manufacturer would have put the numbers a little higher in the first place. Again, my own opinion, don't take it as an insult.

It is still my very personal opinion that dropping a 700lb+ engine (and comparatively sized drivetrain to handle the torque) would make driving, except for in a straight line, a pain in the ass.

WVO, I still personally disagree with that too. Take a bunch of oil with a whole bunch of food junk in it and run it through my engine. And the exhaust smells like what was cooked in it! weee! that to me sounds bad. junk from that food is still being dumped into the engine. I wouldn't take gasoline full of dirt and grime and dissolved stuff, dump it in my tank, turn around and say "well I've got a big filter" and call it good.

Maybe I'm crazy. These engines are meant for industrial use like sitting on a platform, driving generators, pumps, tractors and such, and not being lugged around literally all day (thus the high weight - tractors don't count as they are really low speed and need weight, like filling the tires with stuff) and have their limitations in an automotive application, even the Isuzu ones I mentioned. The International one I suggested is meant for small trucks and is literally designed for use in a vehicle.

And yet again as in my previous post, I'm not saying it can't be made to work. I never knocked the 3.3. Hope that clears up all the misunderstandings.




well. weight, it definatly changes the dynamics of the truck. a 2wd will be different then a 4x4 as well for sure in the snow. i been running 3-600 over stock front weight in one particular rig since 95. currently even more then that.

its a non issue. run it that way or even more recently with 215 15's up to 44 inch tires.

non issue. save for the mud tires when on do not like wet pavement compared to quality ms tires. but that is a givin.



i didnt mean wvo...i meant wmo. you can actually get decent wmo some places still

i been running it for years in my chev and psd 150k plus with no injury. if it makes it past 2-4 filters it cant hurt your shit. newer diesels i wont recommend this for. and its only used as a mix, not a main source of fuel.



as to turning up the power on the 3.3 hurting it, it will beat an ohv 4.0 into the ground long before its life is waning with double or better the economy depending on mix of fuels. stationary...well the turbo has an automotive application pump and performs excellent.

regardless every engine operates best as a stationary unit gas or diesel...





to the na 6.5, yeah, i have to admit it can look ridiculous. and this perception is just a bad one as well, though warranted just looking at the numbers. i cant blame a guy to call it a piss waste, as it is looking at the numbers. it is just that depending on the case.

a 2wd low ranger would be a bad candidate. keep the hopped up 4 wheezer.

BUT.....ADD 33-35 INCH TIRES and some lift, then add all the other shit.


or just look at my case. take a solid 200 hp 4 cyl gasser and put it in my rig.

then put my 160 hp 6.5 and run the same situations.

the 6.5 looks good then. it gets better economy and actually will move well.

its the torque i am after.

make the gas wheezer a turbo and then add the turbo to the 6.5.....

6.5 looks real real good then.

to worry about 250 pounds in a truck that is for 4x4 truck work is really the piss waste of time here.

you need to drive one to have an educated opinion on it..if your close enough you can use mine for ahwile if you want ledd. it says 302/2.3 on your deal. is the 302 in a 2wd or 4x4? is it lifted?


i know my rig wont do to well with a 160 hp 4 cyl gasser compared to a 160 hp 6.5.

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Please don't tell me about internet braging sites that have no basis in reality.

I've seen a guy claim to be getting 450hp out of his 3.1liter Chevy Lumina on the stock trans. Ain't buyin that one either

And it's not about ineptness, it's about physical possibility

I believe that many engines can be "pumped up" but I know that even with head studs and O-ringing the block that the Mitsubishi can't contain that much pressure.
the guy I knew that had one, who was a very competent diesel mechanic regarded keeping his running to be a challenge... stock power level it kept sneezing gaskets until he O-ringed the head.

The Dodge Cummins has an IRON cylinder head and it's a MUCH more robust construction.

I'd unquestioningly believe you if you claimed your numbers out of a 4BT,
but a 2.3liter Mitsu 4D55?

If you claimed to have "pumped up" a Nissan SD25 that I could believe. (the SD25 made narly the same power as the 2.3 Mitsu WITHOUT a turbocharger)

~190hp from a 4BT cummins would be childs play.

I'd say BS if you made similar claims for a Toyota L22 engine

where I really have an issue with your claims in light of your earlier
reply in this topic where you claimed to get 45mpg from the same engine...

And that I find equally difficult to believe in light if my experiences with VW, Nissan, Toyota and Isuzu Diesel engines in compact pickup trucks.


Oh, and BTW, that famous Cummins that makes 900hp and is the current street legal land speed record holder at Bonneville?

If I recall correctly that truck runs a hefty dose of Nitrous Oxide.

Well, maybe its time to put this argument to rest.

I ran the lil Mitsu stock for about a month. Dead, Dead and more Dead. I did all the mods to see what exactly these things would take. There's guys with twin-turbos pushing phenomenal power, so I wanted to see first hand.

I did the mods, put it on the dyno, and run it at the track all in one weekend. The following week, I detuned it quite a bit. To be honest, I dont know what its pushing now. Maybe half of what I was. There is no way I could keep runnin it the way it was, or believe me I know I was in for a LOT of busted pieces. I dont believe these motors can withstand the power that can be made for an extended period of time. Right now if I push it, I can keep up with my son's 91 2.9, although my 04 4.0 pretty much kills it.(both stock)

The 45 mpg is normal driving, 60 mph, summer, light foot, long trip. The whole idea was to see how these engines really are, as I want to put one in my 04. I have been told you can order all the parts (some from Japan) to build one brand new. This is for a 4D56, but same engine basically.

I personally know Rip Rook from Source Automotive in Oregon-right now the fastest "Diesel Only" Dodge Cummins. (He just pulled off a 10.61 on Friday) He will be the first to tell anyone that the Cummins is far from bullitproof. He's just over 800 hp.
 
Can I put a whole engine and trans together into my Ranger and just make it a 2wd? Would it fit and be pretty straight forward or what?

(I hope I don't get burned by saying this either)
 
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is the 302 in a 2wd or 4x4? is it lifted?

the 302 I have is the all cast iron one except for the headers. It's lifted with a 6" skyjacker kit, bed mounted radiator, 18gallon bed mounted fuel tank. It's also got enough stuff stripped off it, including the horrendous amount of rust it's probably at the absolute most 100 lbs more on the front end.

I have a 2.3L 2wd one that I daily drive. standard cab, short bed. if I drop an engine like the 6.5 in that, or a 700/800+ 4cyl, there's not a whole lot that can be said to convince me that it'll handle and drive (with it notably having more torque) anywhere close to stock. It will however get good mileage, which is what alot of people are inquiring about a diesel swap for. More torque is just a really really nice bonus. (how many diesel swap questions did you see when gas was cheap?)

Built rigs with a bunch of fullsize parts on them (like suspension and axles) shouldn't have a problem. All of that is meant to handle the heavier engine weight, and with a larger body. I betting it's not your daily driver though.

I guess I'll have to drive one like you said, however I still recommend keeping the weight down to 500-550lbs or less if you plan on DDing it.
 
well. i drive my truck alot to the rig still. and i should not due to costs. probably 4 k and over 1000 in gas since may. i have spent a thousand on gas trail riding since spring too, and could have bought lockers with that if i would quit driving it.

i wont quit driving it so diesel it is.
:tease: self inflicted problems.. yes..



and that is of course with 33's...the 44's are too square to drive 200 miles a day on and wont make 11 k till they are worn to the point you can see the air in them. i am hoping to have a set of 36's for it soon. i own 42's as well but they are beat and still in pa. so not for the street at all. and i dont like runiing mudders on the street. its cruel to me in some sick way i cant explain.

it is a dd when roofing, that or the psd..or both or all three trucks i have depending on the project and manpower involved. but since i tore down the chevy i only have the ranger and psd van to work with now. and hopefully i wont need either for exterior work, and just concentrate on the oilfield eventually.

i was in big rapids over on mckinney and 20 for a few months doing a reentry well so i am surprised you didnt see my truck...that pos is hard to miss, especially if your a cop:)


the trucks handling will change with the 6.5 for sure, but is easily handled and managed by the ranger chassis. i know this due to big block trucks, but unlike a big block the 6.5 dont make as much power quickly and funlike.


and i have always wondered in the past why guys dont run the 6.2/6.5 diesel in the rangers more often. and was never against it. and with the first opportunuity to do it for next to nothing i am doing it. and your right to assume if diesel was 1.50 a gal and gas was 1.80 a gallon i would not do it. strictly because of the power issues. BUT ,if my engine was a turbo diesel on the otherhand .....this would have happened years ago for costs involved. as i would not be giving up power. THERE IS A REASON I HAVE A V8 RANGER, and power is the primary motovator there..
 
well back to the question did they make a for ranger that was diesel. yes in the mid 80's but they are extreemly rare!!!! my cousin had one and got up to 40 mpg :thefinger: on the high way. and i almost bought one but i was 16 low on money and it needed work :sad:
 
I am in the process of putting the mazda 2.2 in my 88 ranger. I found the engine and 5 speed tranny in a farm field cheep and since my motivation is fuel economy and the ability to run homemade biodiesel the 2.2 is fine. Other than a driveshaft rework and brackets for tjhe power steering and a.c compressor the engine and tranny is a drop in fit in my truck. It requires the use of the 2.3 mitsubishi turbo diesel mounts to bolt to my frame brackets. I have been making the biodiesel with no problems getting the chemicals or interference from the government. We have also been using the biodiesel in our dodge for deliveries with no problems. I am however in need of a few missing things like a water pump pulley to finish the project.
 
I have no idea, but your biodiesel is interesting. I have a 15 acre field that isn't doing anything. How hard is it to get from soybeans to diesel?
 
i dont think its worth growing the soybeans you would need to crush them for the oil and filter it good. and then from soybean oil to bio diesel in the summer i put clean cooking oil in my mercedes diesel i put about 3-5 liters in with a take of diesel. works just fine
it would be easier to find a restraunt and convert there waste veggie oil into bioD
 
UMMMM, I have one.
 
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and the pilots license to operate it.






























on a serious note. the oem offerings from the 80's would be ok for a reg cab 2wd or 4x4 kept to minimums on lift and tire size. but still suck to drive ime.

shortly after i last posted in this dusty thread i did slide the 6.5 in that thing pictured above.



no true regrets:icon_thumby: drive it everyday
 
go to www.shadetreeconversions.com might get some interesting ideas. i to have tried to find a easy way to go the diesel rout most motors are to big the rest are to small. my thioughts maybe a 4cyl nesson diesel but then there underpowered
 

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