dear Rusty......

[bobbywalter]

 

[bobbywalter]

Mike Copeland’s 500 Horsepower Hydrogen-Powered Ford Falcon Futura

www.mcleodracing.com

 

[rusty ol ranger]

No one ever listens to rusty....

Sad thing is some of these cars (the hummer, the model S, and even the rivians) actually look pretty damn cool.

If they would only stuff real engines in them. A hummer with a 6.6L...yes.

 

[rusty ol ranger]

Mike Copeland’s 500 Horsepower Hydrogen-Powered Ford Falcon Futura

www.mcleodracing.com

That falcon is cool. I didnt know hydrogen could run a normal engine. As dumb as that may sound

 

[bobbywalter]

toyota and cummins are killing it with several options..... i am working on a seperate project....unfortunately its not going as planned ....but it is capable of serious reductions out of conventional diesels, which will push RELIABILITY compared to this current bullshit we have now, through the roof.


You should take a trip out to Copelands facilities.... that system will be retrofittable.


dont get me wrong...i love the electric machines....but it is not a fleet solution....they re much too filthy. i prefer less toxicity.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

No one ever listens to rusty....

Even a blind pig finds an acorn once in awhile...

 

[rusty ol ranger]

Even a blind pig finds an acorn once in awhile...

True

 

[bobbywalter]

classic.....not classy-Phil Anselmo

Gasoline Forever- Dave Freiburger

I.C.E. Forever - Bobby Walter-----and Dustin too.

 

[sgtsandman]

That falcon is cool. I didnt know hydrogen could run a normal engine. As dumb as that may sound

Yep, it's not the best way to run with hydrogen but it can be done. Similar to some ICE engines converted to run on propane.

The problem is that making hyrdrogen is expensive and storage is a problem due to how cold it has to be to be stored as a liquid for somewhat decent range. And it has to have to a vent system to relieve pressure as the hydrogen warms up. So now you have a flammable gas venting around the vehicle and range is being lost due to the venting.

Range, even with liquid hydrogen, is still a problem and the storage tank takes up a lot of room in the vehicle.

And attractive idea but not ready for prime time yet

 

[rusty ol ranger]

Yep, it's not the best way to run with hydrogen but it can be done. Similar to some ICE engines converted to run on propane.

The problem is that making hyrdrogen is expensive and storage is a problem due to how cold it has to be to be stored as a liquid for somewhat decent range. And it has to have to a vent system to relieve pressure as the hydrogen warms up. So now you have a flammable gas venting around the vehicle and range is being lost due to the venting.

Range, even with liquid hydrogen, is still a problem and the storage tank takes up a lot of room in the vehicle.

And attractive idea but not ready for prime time yet

I kinda wonder why propane hasnt been explored more.

 

[bobbywalter]

Yep, it's not the best way to run with hydrogen but it can be done. Similar to some ICE engines converted to run on propane.

The problem is that making hyrdrogen is expensive and storage is a problem due to how cold it has to be to be stored as a liquid for somewhat decent range. And it has to have to a vent system to relieve pressure as the hydrogen warms up. So now you have a flammable gas venting around the vehicle and range is being lost due to the venting.

Range, even with liquid hydrogen, is still a problem and the storage tank takes up a lot of room in the vehicle.

And attractive idea but not ready for prime time yet

he is using gaseous hydrogen. just like some busses have been doing for decades. he is using the tank they use for fuel cell power and running the ice on it... 300 miles with a 500 hp engine on 6 kilograms of gaseous hydrogen.


best way to utilize solar in regards to planet friendly....over batteries... is making hydrogen.


compressing the hydrogen is key.

there are hydrogen busses....

and hydrogen fuel stations making on site hydrogen in places out west. totally self contained.

eliminating remote fracturing infrastructure and transportation....which is killing jobs for sure. so that is a negative. though oddly enough transporting hydrogen by pipeline is cheaper then electricity.....so there is a ton of win here if your looking at technology growth the last 2 decades.



you can make your own hydrogen. doing it cost effectively is an issue..


....storing in hydride adds a trainload of weight....but is easily done lowering compression psi.... there are alot of ways to do this.


and it is very close.. closer and much cleaner then making trillions of toxic battery cells

though a combination of the systems makes more sense.

 

[bobbywalter]

I kinda wonder why propane hasnt been explored more.

propane is natural gas. same costs to compress and is actually more dangerous then hydrogen. much much heavier and stoich at surface.

costs......

hard to compare.

lets say its 10 mil to drill and maintain 1 utica well like i put online currently....for its COMMERCIAL production volume life. lets say that life is 10 years.

there is the drilling operation....along the way there is 3 strings of casing adding up to around 7-9 miles by the time this puppy is ready to get fracced......
12-2000 ft 13 5/8
7000 ft of 9 5/8 and
24-30000 ft of 5 1/2...

and a shitload of cement.....as a typical reference.

then the frac operation....which in itself is insane...



and then crazy bastards like me going out and turning that dragon loose. it gets crazy.





if you put that same ten million into a hydrogen production facility.....and build 2000 of those a year..... they will out produce any gas well.


and if 2000 sounds like alot....then look at how many wells we drill....

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[85_Ranger4x4]

Dunno how it compares to gas but propane for heating a house is not as cheap as it used to be.

 

[sgtsandman]

I kinda wonder why propane hasnt been explored more.

From my understanding, it isn't as fuel efficient, and you need to keep the gas system for start up and switch it back on before you shut it down. My local school district used it in their busses for a number of years and then abandoned it and went back to diesel powered busses. I'm guessing it wasn't all that it was cracked up to be and ended up costing more than running with diesel.

 

[Bgunner]

I personally think, right now that is, that all vehicles models should be offered in a gas version with electric as an option for those that want to swap over to a more so called eco-friendly version. This way the customer has the power to choose but the company isn't stuck with the likes of the Ford F-series Lightning only in electric.

Body's and frames can just have the holes in places for all versions and just have cross members and such changed so that the body is universal and be used for all versions. This way you save money on both ends, customer and company, but can accommodate year to year the demand for each version and not have to shut down the whole plant to retool to accommodate the demand just shorten the work week for that version.