crash in cali

[Terry]

I am sick of people like oilpatch playing the blame game for other people being dumb! I suppose that if you stand in the street in front of a bus and it runs you over than your family will sue the bus company? If you stand next to or near the track and a truck over 2,000 pounds "racing" at high speed runs you down, it is not anyone's fault but your own that you got hit.This whole thing is like a bar being sued for twisting your arm to drink and drive? Dumb shits of the world unite and move to California because you be rich for being a dumbass.

 

[59bisquik]

Like how hard is it to install tire barriers?

The courses are in open desert with 30 to 50 mile laps. So 60 to 100 miles of tire barriers?

Dumb shits of the world unite and move to California because you be rich for being a dumbass.

Lets not invite any more...whe have way more than our fair share!

 

[Original_Ranger84]

Darwin Awards for anyone within 50 meters of an unmarked, unbarricaded high speed race.

Maybe we should ahve a bunch of those little trophies made (you know the ones they give you for winning the pinewood derby or a little league game) That say Darwin Winner and start handing them out to people that ar sitting on the track.

 

[ES894x4]

the night before the race 8 ppl went to bed saying im going to the race tmrw, that day 8 people woke up and followed through on their word and went to the race, 8 people went to the race and then decided close wasnt close enough, then 8 ppl lost their lives. can you blame the organization for not being psychic no, can you blame the racer for not lifting during his race no. the fact that any spectator is at a race is premeditated act.

Everyone will die and no one can have an opinion about whether a persons time came to soon or not because not one soul living on earth knows what comes next or even why they themselves are are infact here, if some one told you to wake up tomorrow theyd be asking you to take a step closer to death and thats reality. could you make choices to prolong yourself in this world, its seems you can, but in reality you have to except your here for a short glimpse and any day past yesterday is a lucky one.

 

[Terry]

So you are saying life is a bitch and you die? It really sucks what happend to those people but I agree, when its your time its your time. We don't need to sue for everything or baby proof everything. We just need to use common sense.

 

[OilPatch197]

There is actually an awful sameness about these incidents. They're nearly always comes by the lack of forethought, the lack of analysis. The problem comes down to poor management.

It just does not come down to one particular person not following procedure, or doing something wrong, you'll always come back to the fact that, things are sloppy, ill organized, and unsystematic. Right from the top of the Organization and downwards.

If we learn the lessons from the tragic accident, then perhaps future events may be prevented.

Process hazard analysis could have been very useful if used. One has to say if you don't analyze risk properly. If you don't think the unthinkable, when the rules state you need to be so far from the track in areas, and then the rules are not used, any real particular advantage of those rules because the rules are being broken and nobody is getting hurt, you are less inclined to enforce those rules or spend money on things to enforce those rules(safety barriers, etc.) that you don't think are useful. You don't know how useful they're going to be, unless you thought about it very throughly and deeply, in advance.

 

[Original_Ranger84]

No matter how organized an event is... (it could be the most coordinated and organized event in the universe. Stuff like this will still happen, no matter how well planned out it is how safe it is some thing can and always will go wrong. Weather its something small or something large. And Your going to be saying it should have been more organized and what not anyways... because SOMETHING happened.

 

[bcost882]

everyone is upset but it isnt his fault, as messed up as it sounds people should sign a release if they are gunna be that stupid. whenever i have gone to drifting events i have had to sign a waiver saying it isnt there fault if i get hurt by crap flying around. and if they do charge the driver there is something very wrong with the justice system today

 

[OilPatch197]

No matter how organized an event is... (it could be the most coordinated and organized event in the universe. Stuff like this will still happen, no matter how well planned out it is how safe it is some thing can and always will go wrong. Weather its something small or something large. And Your going to be saying it should have been more organized and what not anyways... because SOMETHING happened.

I was going to post this in my last thread, so here it goes... Look at the other sanctioning bodies, Nascar, F1 etc. When people get killed based on laxed rules, THEY DO SOMETHING. As much as I HATE HATE restrictor plate racing, everyone knows it's not "real racing", but the fact is Nascar did something unpopular to make the events safer, now we can go into the whole dictatorial way Nascar operates, that is for a whole different subject, the fact is they care *enough* for their drivers, the sponsors, the cars and, AND the spectators to do unpopular things to make the sport safer.

I EXPECT, and DEMAND nothing less from this rough "sanctioning body" out in the Mojave. We are not stupid, allowing things to go on "as they were" and putting ALL the blame on the spectators is not addressing the real issue here.

As far as I'm concerned, Pre-runner racing is ill equipped to handle spectators, and is a half bred sport from Mexico, that does not mean we should conform to Mexican standards of safety, just like we don't conform to Mexican safety standards of street vehicles. Especially when you look at nearly all other forms of motor-sports in the U.S.A., the reason of what happened in the Mojave is inexcusable.

 

[Terry]

I was going to post this in my last thread, so here it goes... Look at the other sanctioning bodies, Nascar, F1 etc. When people get killed based on laxed rules, THEY DO SOMETHING. As much as I HATE HATE restrictor plate racing, everyone knows it's not "real racing", but the fact is Nascar did something unpopular to make the events safer, now we can go into the whole dictatorial way Nascar operates, that is for a whole different subject, the fact is they care *enough* for their drivers, the sponsors, the cars and, AND the spectators to do unpopular things to make the sport safer.

I EXPECT, and DEMAND nothing less from this rough "sanctioning body" out in the Mojave. We are not stupid, allowing things to go on "as they were" and putting ALL the blame on the spectators is not addressing the real issue here.

As far as I'm concerned, Pre-runner racing is ill equipped to handle spectators, and is a half bred sport from Mexico, that does not mean we should conform to Mexican standards of safety, just like we don't conform to Mexican safety standards of street vehicles. Especially when you look at nearly all other forms of motor-sports in the U.S.A., the reason of what happened in the Mojave is inexcusable.

You sound like you work for our broken govenrment. red tape and rules dont fix bone head moves by "people" at the event not the people that put on the event.

 

[crbnunit]

The responsibility for this rests squarely on the shoulders of the moron spectators. Short of putting up a 500 mile long fence to keep them out and make the sport economically unfeasible there is just no way to prevent this kind of stuff. You have to expect a certain amount of brain power on the part of the people watching. I mean, really. The self preservation instinct didn't even kick in for these slobbering morons! I call it natural selection at it's finest. We do not need more rules and regulations. We need less morons. Laws can't fix stupid nor should they try. If I feel sorry for anyone, it is the driver for having to live with the memory of the incident.

 

[Hopman]

If I feel sorry for anyone, it is the driver for having to live with the memory of the incident.

I fully agree with you!

 

[press 1 for english]

Why pick on the driver? I watched on CNN they played it for a full 5 minutes . What a bunch of idiots(CNN). When I saw how close the fans were to the track I knew it was going to happen. Sad day.

There is no cure for stupid but it is still a tragedy.

 

[Jay FX4]

As a non-chimpanzee, I would never have been that close anyway, but I suppose this is yet another reason why I love my 300mm telephoto lens on a 1.5x crop body....

 

[94xlt4.0]

MDR, Mojave Desert Racing didn't have any crowd control measures in place at the rock-pile. In years past, as reflected in online videos of the rock pile in previous years races, fencing to control the crowd is clearly visible. None at this years event. Negligence. And the driver, Brett Sloppy. Was he concerned about the fans, when he punched the gas going through the crowd? Did he touch his brake pedal at all, proceeding through the huge, swelling crowds? He LAUNCHED over the jump. He barreled over the jump with bad judgment & timing. Not just bad judgment, as a race driver, he failed in his most important duty at that exact time. To proceed through the crowd, safely.

The list of the blamed. The BLM had no officers at the rock pile. One radio call to Patricia Williams of MDR, stopping the start of the race until appropriate crowd control measures were in place, would have limited the risky situation.

you have got to be kidding me, how can you blame the driver for idiots standing ON the track. if a fan runs onto a nascar track and a driver hits him coming out of a corner is it his fault that the guy ran in front of his car? no matter what you do unles you have an official every 5 feet then people will sit on or cross over a tire barrier. it WILL happen. people know when they go to these races "watch at your own risk" now if your life is worth standing in the middle of a race track then you deserve what you get. PERIOD. i would love to stand right on a race course like that, unfortunately im not an idiot so you wont see me withing 20 or 30 feet of the track at least