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[mikej83]

hey guys, i had an idea for a project, but im not sure just how to go about it. theres a couple guys in town runnin around in those typhoons. now, i know this is kinda sacreligious, but i wanna put a small block in a 4x4 b2 and lower it, beat them at their own game but, i was also thinkin of doin up a v6, maybe a supercoupe motor or something. mainly, im stumped on trasfer case/front diff setup. the gm setup is pretty small, lightweight. dont think us ford boys have anything similar.....ideas?

 

[Gotta_gofast]

If you want to use 4x4 on the street, which I assume you do since you're lowering it, you will need an AWD transfer case. Do not run a 4x4 transfer case on dry pavement or your driveline will bind and you will break something. The closest thing I can think of for you is a wrecked AWD 5.0L explorer. Then, swap everything over. Remember, it takes more torque to spin a transfer case and another driveshaft and yet another axle. So, to make it simpler I would just do the V8 swap and put some fat sticky tires on the back.

 

[mikej83]

good point, never thought of that. thanks!

 

[mikej83]

did a little research, and the t-case in the awd explorer is actually the exact borg-warner unit used in the typhoons. good show! thanks alot, hopefully i can find a decent one...i got some more questions, but i guess ill move it on over to the b2/explorer forum. thanks again

 

[Hibs]

If you want to use 4x4 on the street, which I assume you do since you're lowering it, you will need an AWD transfer case. Do not run a 4x4 transfer case on dry pavement or your driveline will bind and you will break something. The closest thing I can think of for you is a wrecked AWD 5.0L explorer. Then, swap everything over. Remember, it takes more torque to spin a transfer case and another driveshaft and yet another axle. So, to make it simpler I would just do the V8 swap and put some fat sticky tires on the back.

huh, that's weird. a friend of mine with an '05 silverado 4x4 ran 10.0's @135mph with his STOCK gm 4x4 setup. it was selectable, 2wd/4wd not AWD. Hell, he even had DR's all four corners. nothing binding and breaking there.

 

[Gotta_gofast]

huh, that's weird. a friend of mine with an '05 silverado 4x4 ran 10.0's @135mph with his STOCK gm 4x4 setup. it was selectable, 2wd/4wd not AWD. Hell, he even had DR's all four corners. nothing binding and breaking there.

Wow, 10's @135mph in stock form. Who needs a corvette when a full size truck will do. If he was in 4wd on pavement then 1, he's stupid. And two he was going in a straight line for 1/4 mile so the driveline wouldn't be as torqued. When you select 4wd there is nothing to differentiate the front and rear axles. When you are off-road or in snow the tires will "spin" a hair to relieve the stress on the axles and gears. Selecting 4x4 on the street will lurch, pull, and chirp tires until something breaks. AWD transfer cases use some sort of method to allow differences in front and rear driveshaft speeds. This can be a fluid coupling, torsion type differential, or any other "limites slip" unit.

 

[Gotta_gofast]

Also, I have a SBF in my 2wd Ranger and it hooks up extremely well. With aluminum heads and aluminum intake manifold, my V8 weighs 45-50lbs more than the 2.3L 4 cylinder it replaced. I relocated the battery to the bed and have a 16 gallon fuel cell back there, also. Softer leaf springs in the back with a 31 spline 8.8", detroit limited slip and some fat rubber on the back will launch ya faster than those heavy cyclones.

 

[Hibs]

Wow, 10's @135mph in stock form. Who needs a corvette when a full size truck will do. If he was in 4wd on pavement then 1, he's stupid. And two he was going in a straight line for 1/4 mile so the driveline wouldn't be as torqued. When you select 4wd there is nothing to differentiate the front and rear axles. When you are off-road or in snow the tires will "spin" a hair to relieve the stress on the axles and gears. Selecting 4x4 on the street will lurch, pull, and chirp tires until something breaks. AWD transfer cases use some sort of method to allow differences in front and rear driveshaft speeds. This can be a fluid coupling, torsion type differential, or any other "limites slip" unit.

Isn't the guy in this thread asking what he can do to beat a cyclone in a drag race? I didn't know we were trying to build road race cars here.

Ya, he's stupid. The truck only put down over 1000rwhp and set records left and right, won Hot Rod drag weeks power adder small block class (driving 1000 miles and racing everday while pulling his parts trailer the entire time), was a centerfold feature in Hot Rod magazine, etc. Just do a search for "Parish silverado" you'll find a bunch of stuff. Ohh, and I need to make a correction, he did it with a stock 2500 transfer case, not the 1500. He's a good friend of mine from back him in Nebraska. Please, don't be so closed minded.

 

[Hibs]

Ohh, and i've personally seen the truck in 4x4, plowing throw some major snow drifts, doing cookies, etc. back in nebraska and the driveline wasn't ever "torqued" to the point of breaking.

 

[Gotta_gofast]

Ofcourse it won't be torqued if he's driving on snow.

And yes, the guy wants to beat some typhoons in a drag race. So why would you suggest for him to add the weight of a transfer case, driveshaft, front axle, and the added weight of having to run 4 large tires. Not only this, turning all those extra parts isn't 100% efficient. This is just more drag on the engine. Infact, the only way a 4x4 drivetrain would be helpful is to add ballast weight to the front of the vehicle in the event of a wheel stand.

 

[Mac]

And if I remember right he has a BII, not a cheby so why bring up what your buddy can do with his?
Dave

 

[mikej83]

thanks for all the input guys. its a big help. and when you said that the 4x4 would bind on dry pavement, i remembered that your right, shoulda thought of that, owning a few 4x4's myself. i've built a few small block rangers, always had a hard time with traction. that, and i've got a few b2's at my disposal and i figured, what the hell, if nothin else it'd be cool. besides, ive ridden in one of those typhoons, and honestly they wouldnt really be much without the AWD. its all that traction that makes them so quick. I've seen one catch up to a bike, largly due to the AWD, so i figure i'll give it a shot. And, if it doesnt work, meh, i'll flog it and try something else. thanks again guys

 

[Hibs]

And if I remember right he has a BII, not a cheby so why bring up what your buddy can do with his?
Dave

My argument was that a 4x4 drivetrain can successfully be used to drag race on pavement.