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ATV/Quad guys...opinions needed....


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Looking to buy my first quad.

I have zero experence with them other then driving an old 80s 250 suzuki about 2 miles 3 years ago.

Im looking at spending 2k or less, so its gonna be older and used, and 4x4 is a must.

I got a buddy who ive been consulting with that lives and breathes these things, but hes die hard polaris and those are hard to find in my price range. All i want is something to ride trails with and maybe replace my garden tractor for pushing snow, so i dont need the most powerful thing on the planet.

Ive read that hondas are by far the most reliable. I keep finding alot of 300/350 fourtraxs in nice shape for 1500-1800 bucks, but will these be as utterly gutless as im thinking? Keep in mind i had a 6x6 Max II amphibious for a while with a 16hp briggs Vtwin that i never felt hurt for power, so a 300/350 should outpower that right?

The 6wheeler was to capable for where i would ride and it took all the fun out of it, plus it rode like a piece of plywood and required constant wrenching.

Any input is apperciated.
 
I suspect the 350 Fourtrax is in the 20-24hp range, but couldn't confirm it quickly. It certainly ought to be adequate.
 

Yes, that helped a bunch, thank you.

So, 20-24hp, 45mph top speed, and 474lb dry weight.

My 6 wheeler had 16hp, 20mph top speed and 675lb dry weight IIRC.

Plus its only turning 4 wheels instead of 6.

So it looks like just based off those numbers i should be happy with their performance. Most trails youre only running 15-25 most the time anyways.

I really like the hondas cause they are shaft drive instead of belt on the polaris. Plus they overall just seem to be built like tanks.

He reccommended a sportsman or scrambler for me, but the scrambler is to sportish for me and the sportsmans usually bring more then i really wanna spend.
 
My brother has a Sportsman and loves it.

One thing I like about Hondas is parts are readily available. My newest one is a 1984 model and it seems like just about everything for it is still out there.

Of course I need to have a side of the transmission case welded up due to a design flaw though...
 
I've had a couple, a Yamaha Warrior and a Kawasaki Bayou. Nothing modern, but both were really pretty good quads. I'd buy either one again.
 
My brother has a Sportsman and loves it.

One thing I like about Hondas is parts are readily available. My newest one is a 1984 model and it seems like just about everything for it is still out there.

Of course I need to have a side of the transmission case welded up due to a design flaw though...

Whats the flaw?

How many miles will one of the honda motors go before they need rebuilt?
 
Dunno on life, I just drag them out of sheds and play with them.

My wife’s grandfather had this ATC125M, a boss inside the case and that the shifter mechanism pivots on is known to break off, and it did on this one.
 
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I've done a lot of riding in my days and have a lot of friends who ride and pretty much anything 300cc and bigger will have plenty of power for a grown man. add a good winch and it will be unstoppable in the trails. I've had a blaster, warrior, 660r raptor, 350 warrior and right now I have a little bear tracker which is just as fun for what I use it for. for being 2wd it actually has never got stuck since it is lighter than a 4wd. thas another thing, 4wds are heavy, 2wds are normally around 400 pound range and are easy to push around if needed. friends have Honda 300s and sportsmans and 700 Hondas. Like I said, just get something bigger than a 300 or 350 and you will be happy. Go too big and you will pay more than what you want to spend. Gotta test drive them and let them idle for 10-15 minutes just sitting to check for issues. my friend from work just bought an eiger and found out something internal was bad. would have been an 1800 dollar repair at the shop but he did for a few hundred buck. check the frames over and axles, chains or shafts depending on which one you get and all around condition. if it looks like it hasn't been maintained then it probably hasn't been maintained.
 
My buddy is really trying to sell me on the scrambler. I found a few 500s in my price range, guess ill check em out and see how i like them...
 
A 2k budget probably won't get you a very decent machine, at least here in Idaho it won't...you may find a 30 year old machine that has been rolled a dozen times, missing most of the parts to make it move, blown engine, etc. LOL.

I've had 2 Yamaha products, they were fine but their customer service and finance company put a stop to me ever dealing with them again. Polaris is big around here because of parts availability and aftermarket accessories, something that Yamaha seemed to be lacking at least for my Yamaha Rhino side by side.

One thing with the Yamaha's I had I didn't need 4WD very often just due to having a locked rear differential. Polaris has a bit of an edge as some of their machines have what they call turf mode which gives you a selectable open or locked rear differential plus 4WD...which really is misleading, the machine is only in 2WD when 4WD is engaged until the rear wheels slip a certain amount then the front axle is engaged, then it goes back to 2WD again.

Honda has been making ATV's for what seems like forever, possibly the first manufacturer to make them? Anyhow, they're pretty good underpowered a bit but at the same time less power usually means you aren't going to break anything, where Polaris for example has 1000cc engines and things tend to break easier and more frequently due to the added stress from the extra power of the larger engines. My Yamaha Rhino was a 700cc it had plenty of power but I would say it was adequate for the intention of the machine being a sport/utility machine.

Polaris has issues with their CVT's (continuously variable transmission) eating belts in some cases due to riders using the wrong transmission range and causing belt slippage which results in burned up drive belts. Their CVT's do not have a one way clutch so the belt slips continuously until enough power is applied to engage and its usually a very sudden jerky engagement from what I remember. You are also limited to low range for a lot of usage of those machines as a result of the transmission setup.

Yamaha's CVT's have a one way clutch allowing the belt to stay engaged all the time regardless of speed, this allows you to use either high or low range for any application regardless of speed or load. Also gives you far superior engine braking enough engine braking that you can lock up all 4 wheels in 4WD going down hill in low range.

I cannot speak about Honda's drive systems as I have never been around any. I know earlier automatics were really terrible and were never in the right gear and would seem to get stuck in too high of a gear causing you to lug the engine and eventually stall it. I'd stick with the manual tranny in the Hondas.

I'm not sure if its offered in Yamaha products anymore but they used to have a semi-auto transmission which was nice as it gave you gears but with an automatic clutch, pretty reliable system.

Yamaha has a 2WD/4WD limited slip/4WD Locked differential mode in several of their ATV line. Older models had 2WD/4WD limited slip. I found that 4WD limited slip took me into places just fine never felt the need to use the 4WD locked differential mode, I did play with it a bit but steering is horrible in locked 4WD. The Polaris system is simple you could leave it engaged in 4WD mode all the time and let the system figure out when you need the extra traction, or you can chose 2WD or turf mode. The turf mode would be one reason I'd chose Polaris because it is great for utility work and won't tear up your yard. I know a few of the Polaris Sportsman's had the Turf Mode option, not all of them did though so you would have to look at them to see for sure...it'll have a switch on the handlebar that has turf mode, 2WD, 4WD settings.

I really don't think you could go too wrong with any brand machine especially in your price range because for what you want to do they'll all do it, hell even a 2WD model will go places you'd be surprised at. 4WD just gives you a bit more assurance and in some cases stability having all 4 wheels receiving power to help pull you through where a rear wheel spin could get you sideways on a trail very easily.

I used my Yamaha Grizzly 450 4x4 ATV for plowing snow occasionally and it had plenty of power to do so. You don't need a huge machine for plowing snow, and in many cases a smaller machine is faster as its easier to maneuver a smaller machine in cramped quarters. For plowing though a fully automatic transmission or CVT is the way to go...trail use a manual or semi-automatic would be the way to go...however those CVT's are pretty dang reliable if you use them properly.
 
I agree with the guy above talking about Yamaha 2wds. My bear tracker is only a 230cc 2wd and it goes through every mud hole and creek I've tried. Never really need pulled out by anybody. Like I said before its a lot smaller and lighter than the 4wd quads. also it has shift on the go and a shaft driven rear end. you still shift the foot lever but you don't need to use the clutch which is nice for beginners like my kids or girlfriend. I remember playing in our creek and found a soft sandy spot on accident and before I know it my exhaust is under water and I crept on out of there. also I have used this to pull fallen trees through the woods too. People dog on it but it suits my needs. plus if something breaks on it I can easily repair it or get parts for it for super cheap. last shop bill for a new carb, battery, oil change, tune up, spark plug and air filter, new fuel lines and cleaning was under $200. do all that in a bigger 4wd and the price will double. I have a winch that I have been wanting to put on it but I haven't really needed to winch. it goes everywhere my friends 4wd's go. people get shocked by how well it does. Plus you can find a decent bear tracker for under $1200 around here.
 
Well i bought one....pulled the trigger on this yesterday...

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01 polaris sportsman 500 H.O. I had a scrambler i was going to look at and sunday night my buddy sent me this in screenshots off a FB classfied thing. That was 7pm sunday, by noon monday it was on the trailer headin home.

Took it out to the old house and romped on it abit. It goes way faster then ill ever wanna go (i hit 45 and that was plenty, google says theyll run 65 or so), crazy amounts of torque, espicially in low. It does have a torn CV boot i need to fix and needs front springs/shocks, and it needs some choke tweaking. But it runs strong and everything functions as it should. 1700 miles and 197 hrs, got it for 2k. All the plastics good and things, doesnt show any abuse signs.

Takin it to the ORV park this weekend, just to putt around and get a good feel for it. Kinda glad i listened to him on it. Thing rides like a cadilliac.
 
Looks good!

They were kind of the gold standard for farm four wheelers around here before side by sides took off.
 

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