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American Crystal Sugar Company locks out it's workers


Ftr....... I am non- union, college drop out, and I make about $40 an hour straight pay, no over time pay. You don't need to in a union to have a decent job...... Get a cdl, buy a truck and work hard. Build a reputation....... Then the good contracts fall in your lap.
 
Nearly 10% of this country is unemployed and people who have jobs are still boobing about an unfair shake. Amazing.
 
When my hot lil redhead girlfriend and I form a union the sugar and honey pay is outstanding, she makes me want to work hard. :drool:
 
Are you kidding ? UAW,teachers unions and federal employee unions are bad in so many ways. They are exempt from Obama health care. The get the Cadillac top of the line health care and don't pay any penalty,or premiums, as the rest of us would. Why? Becasue they contirbuted millions to the democratic party. That means John Q Publc (tax payers) will pay more than their share while unions don't. You are a union hack.
What happened to the statement by the Presiden," If you want to keep your present doctor you can", We can't-unions can! I've been in a union and I was the shop steward. I found out first hand how you guys want it all and you expect the rest of us to pay your share. Most of your rant is democratic party talking points. Your and your union is pathetic.
 
Sorry for the rant, just tired of all this crap

No big deal, Bro..I do so as well!!!! Let's not get me started about CEO's who get fired and walk away with millions in severance pay...what about the workers who get shafted and get pay cuts and days off with no pay?? These pos CEO's get paid even if the company is not turning a profit. Sugar Union, my ass!!! Lets talk about what the CEO's of this guy’s idiot sugar factory makes. Just look up the company name and see what these pos CEO's make.

Here is my reply to this:

Stand With Sugar Workers

For generations, the sugar beet industry has been the lifeblood of Northwest Minnesota’s Red River Valley.

Sugar workers have always stood shoulder to shoulder with American Crystal Sugar and farmers to protect and advance the sugar industry.

Together, the workers, company and growers have helped to build the local economy, support families, and made communities flourish. Now, American Crystal has put all of this in jeopardy by locking out workers.

Sign our petition at this website,
http://act.aflcio.org/c/174/p/dia/ac...ction_KEY=2567, telling CEO Dave Berg: Don’t turn your back on the community! To be delivered to American Crystal Sugar CEO Dave Berg

Sugar workers have always stood shoulder to shoulder with American Crystal Sugar and growers to protect and advance the sugar industry. They worked hard for the sugar program, farm bill, and stood up against the North American Free Trade Agreement and many other unfair trade agreements that hurt the sugar beet industry.

Together, the workers, company and farmers have built the local economy, supported families, and helped communities flourish.

We respectfully urge you to reconsider your take-back plans and let your union workers stay on the job.


We can look up your stupid company and see what the CEO's make and what you workers there make.

Take a hike!!!!!
:thefinger::thefinger:

Time for a modarator to close this post, guys........
 
Yea stop complaining most if the country's labor force doesn't get holidays boo hoo. and pay? These days if your making anything more than minimum wage your off to a good start, if you get ANY benefits congratulations! Seriously were in a recession sh%t is bad. If you have time to complain you aren't working nearly as hard as most of the country, that is if you have the privilege to work these days. Quit complaining and work, if your higher wages causes the system to collapse, guess what....not only do you not get good pay, you get no pay!!!! So suck it up and get to work!!! Seriously I barely have time to sleep, and there is people who have time to complain...reminds me of teens these days whining that their job and pay suck but they make no effort to improve their situation. Stop blaming everything, that included the usual too, immigration, taxes, and all that stuff, make yourself indispensable and you won't have to complain. It's simple effin economics, supply and demand. If there are 1000 people ready, willing, and able to do your job, obviously your lucky to be employed period. I know veterans, people with masters and doctorates degrees, and years of experience and they are sucking it up and doing something about not being employed, or just getting a better job. The day your job becomes undesirable, truly hard (not just in the physical sense), or just plain hard to find candidates for then Bitch about crappy pay. Otherwise pay attention and find a way to be better. There are starving people, and I mean truly starving people in this country, consider yourself lucky...

I'm not complaining at all, just stating facts. Not trying to piss any one off here. I agree this should be moved to the political forum. And I don't think I am overpaid one bit. I work in hazardous conditions. You might not think so, come and work with me and you will find out what it's all about. And as far as working 60 hours a week goes, yeah been there, done that. As a matter of a fact for 2 months I worked 14 hours a day 7 days a week staight without a day off and only 2 breaks a day. 1 in the morning at 9:30 and the other at noon. And here is one interesting fact for you, if I worked nonunion, I would make more money. Non union guys get paid by the foot, not the hour for what i do. It's nothing really to make $1500 a week taping houses. But there are no benefits. That's why I joined the union to begin with, and when I joined we had no benefits except for retirement. And I have made myself valuable to the company I work for. I made them a profit off of the 2 jobs I ran after I became a foreman. I am certified in many areas that other guys aren't because they don't see the need for the extra classes.

theboatcapt: Are you kidding ? UAW,teachers unions and federal employee unions are bad in so many ways. They are exempt from Obama health care. The get the Cadillac top of the line health care and don't pay any penalty,or premiums, as the rest of us would. Why? Becasue they contirbuted millions to the democratic party. That means John Q Publc (tax payers) will pay more than their share while unions don't. You are a union hack.
What happened to the statement by the Presiden," If you want to keep your present doctor you can", We can't-unions can! I've been in a union and I was the shop steward. I found out first hand how you guys want it all and you expect the rest of us to pay your share. Most of your rant is democratic party talking points. Your and your union is pathetic.


I'm not a union hack dude. And I did say that teachers and public employees shouldn't have a union, and you will get no love from me for the UAW. My insurance sucks. And I do pay premiums, to the tune of $700 a month. You want to pay that for me? I guarantee you wouldn't want to pay it, especially with the crappy coverage we get. Anytime i have to go to the doctor I have to fight with Healthlink just to get them to pay. And what about crooked corporations like Walmart who contribute millions to the republicans? You seriously can't blame the democrats for the mess we are in. It's both parties faults, not just one. Oh, and I am not a democrat, I'm an independent.
 
Are you kidding ? UAW,teachers unions and federal employee unions are bad in so many ways. They are exempt from Obama health care. The get the Cadillac top of the line health care and don't pay any penalty,or premiums, as the rest of us would. Why? Becasue they contirbuted millions to the democratic party. That means John Q Publc (tax payers) will pay more than their share while unions don't. You are a union hack.
What happened to the statement by the Presiden," If you want to keep your present doctor you can", We can't-unions can! I've been in a union and I was the shop steward. I found out first hand how you guys want it all and you expect the rest of us to pay your share. Most of your rant is democratic party talking points. Your and your union is pathetic.

You are not right about some of that, Bro. But not all of it. Here in Florida Gov. Scott and all the legislatures only pay $35.00 a month for their entire family health care. What a deal for them and not for the rest of us. My wife is a school teacher and she has to pay more into her retirement now because of Dick the Rick Scott and his cronies who also voted this year and passed a new law that they can now legally accept bribes!! We have to now pay 8% of our money towards my wife's retirement. She lost the 3% that the state gave her before due to Dick the Rick Scott. So 8% less of her pay means less money in our pockets and we can fell the pinch it has added to our income this year.
 
After working in some of the places i have, Im glad to be a union member.

This one place i worked at had a layoff and i had only been there 3 weeks. They laid off people that had yrs of service and kept me. Never could figure that one out.

So you guys know, i dont really care if you dislike unions or not.
 
I've been a member of Painters Local 1185 since 1998, and I'm proud of it. Here's another thing that agravates me about union pay misunderstanding; there is a thing called prevaling wage. More often than not, prevaling wage is the union wage plus the cost of benefits added to the non union employees check. Now knowing this, you also need to know how prevailing wage is determined and who determines it. The Department of Labor determines what the prevailing wage rate will be in each state or county, however it is setup. They come to the determination by reviewing hourly pay and actual hours worked by all employees of all companies, union or not.all companies are required by law to report all wages paid and all hours worked by all employees. Now knowing that, and knowing that there are way more non union employees than union employees, we could say that there will be more nonunion hours and wages reported. So why are prevailing wages the union scale? Because the non union contractors are not reporting their wages as required by law and the unions are. Why don't the non unions report their wages? Probably because they are doing something illegal, because it would be in their best interests to report wages and keep the prevailing wage low.
 
One more thing, i remember back in the day 1993-95 or so, I worked 2 jobs at 40 hours a week each. Both were minimum wage jobs and if I remember right min. wage was $4.25 an hour back then. I had to rely on foodstamps to help feed me and my wife. That's right, my wife at a ripe old age of 19, and a kid. And then I got a job being a cub finishing drywall for $5.00 an hour. Then I moved up to $6.00 an hour. Did that for a year, then went to work at a steel factory learning to paint for $6.50 an hour, and never worked less than 50 hours a week there. I did that for 2 years and then bounced around until I joined the union. Now people want me to go back to nonunion and a lower wage after I worked my way to where I am? I don't think so. I earned my spot where I am. You know when all this recession hit and the bailouts started, i remember CEO's of big corporations expecting the same thing of their employees, and everyone was pissed off at the thought of a hard working man or woman having to give up their pay to keep the CEOs in their lavish lifestyle. So tell me again why I should give up my pay and benefits because someone else doesn't have what I have? I earned my way here. And for you all that think I must make all of this great money because I am a union member, well here ya go. In a previous post I said we didn't have insurance when I first joined. We got it in 2001. At that time I was making almost $19 an hour. When we got the insurance we took almost a $2 an hour cut in pay. So I was down to just over $17 an hour 11 years ago. Right now i make about $21 an hour. So now my pay is about $2 an hour more than where I was at before I got insurance 11 years ago. Not much of a pay increase over 11 years is it? Compare that with the paychecks of CEOs from now and 11 years ago, or our politicians for that matter. And i am the evil guy here? Take from me to make sure the lesser paid guy gets more, sounds like Obama's plan for redistribution if you ask me, who's the democrat here?
 
Unions can be a good thing or a bad thing. What really happens it that when union member get that huge pay raise the cost of goods go up and the consumers have to pick it up. That means after awhile the consumers will slowly stop spending as much and that is not good.
One of my Brother-in-laws has a job with Ford in Ohio on an assembly line. He is on his 30th year. He makes over $90,000 a year and works a 4 day work week. He gets to take a 2 hour lunch break. When ever we go up to visit them he goes into work and punches in and then comes home to be with all of us. He has his supervisor or another co-worker punch him out at the end of the day and he gets paid for the days he does not work and he does not have to use his vacation time. He has been doing this for over 20 years. That must be really nice. He said the union there protects his job!!! But what ticks me off is...he does not drive a Ford..he drives a lifted 4x4 Dakota. He takes that money but won't buy a Ford. He wife drives an 09 Sport Trac.
 
Unions can be a good thing or a bad thing. What really happens it that when union member get that huge pay raise the cost of goods go up and the consumers have to pick it up. That means after awhile the consumers will slowly stop spending as much and that is not good.
One of my Brother-in-laws has a job with Ford in Ohio on an assembly line. He is on his 30th year. He makes over $90,000 a year and works a 4 day work week. He gets to take a 2 hour lunch break. When ever we go up to visit them he goes into work and punches in and then comes home to be with all of us. He has his supervisor or another co-worker punch him out at the end of the day and he gets paid for the days he does not work and he does not have to use his vacation time. He has been doing this for over 20 years. That must be really nice. He said the union there protects his job!!! But what ticks me off is...he does not drive a Ford..he drives a lifted 4x4 Dakota. He takes that money but won't buy a Ford. He wife drives an 09 Sport Trac.

And this is where unions have done their disservice to the rest of the American workers. This is why unions are hated.

This thread needs to get locked... has nothing to do with truck discussions.

However, it is a General Discussion
 
There are a lot of misconceptions about unions. So first off i will say, yes I am a union member, so flame away if you must. Labor unions brought you the labor laws that protect you and I today. They also brought you a standard 40 hour work week and overtime pay. Oh and a holiday too, that I don't get paid for. Are unions needed today? Yes and No. Like I said I am a member, but I see where the unions have hurt themselves. The fact is that even non union plants pay decent wages, but some only do because of the very threat of a union. And just so we get this straight, I am a union drywall finisher. I have worked both sides of the fence. I will take the union any day. However I don't think teachers, sports players, or any government employee for that matter needs a union. Let me give you a few facts about my union. First off, we get NO paid holidays. This is the first year in 5 years that i have seen a raise on my check. Yes we did get raises, but they had to be allocated to cover the ever rising cost of health insurance and retirement. Oh and our insurance, its a joke. We also don't get paid vacations. And my local union, is the second lowest paid union in the state of Missouri. And this B.S. about getting raises for nothing, sorry we don't do that either. You have to go to school. You have to do your homework. Only your first raise is guaranteed, after that it's up to you, and the journeyman that evaluates you. Yes once you graduate the apprenticeship program, you make the same as everyone else. But here's the catch, if you don't work and produce you go home. You don't stand around. I am a foreman for the company that I work for. We don't put up with slackers at all. You don't work, you won't work. period. I must say this, if you are in the construction industry, yes unions are needed. Not only do the unions keep wages up for us, but for nonunion guys as well. I'm sorry but I'm not going to finish drywall for $10 an hour or less. I can work at Walmart and make that and not have to deal with the health hazards that I deal with on a daily basis. So flame away if you must. But really only 18% of the work force is union, does it really piss the other 82% off that much that we can't have our unions? And why can't we work under a collective bargaining agreement? Would you just rather work for something you are promised that can be taken away at anytime, or would you rather work for something that is guranteed in writing for a set period of time?

Workers fight lockout
imposed by American Crystal Sugar

There was nothing good in this contract. That is why it was rejected and is being picketed in front of the American Crystal Sugar factories.

1,300 sugar union workers have been locked out since August 1 at five sugar plants in the Red River Valley region of Minnesota (Crookston, Moorhead, East Grand Forks) and North Dakota (Hillsboro, Drayton). Workers are also locked out at two smaller processing plants in Chaska, a suburb of Minneapolis, and in Mason City, Iowa. American Crystal is the largest beet-sugar producer in the United States, for those of you who don't know.

By a margin of 96 percent, more than 1,200 workers voted July 30 to reject the company’s “final” contract offer. The workers are members of five locals of the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union (BCTGM).

All these sugar workers voted no, becaise the whole package was rotten. It was 40-plus pages of takeaways. The company brought up wages at the end of negotiations and then tried to bribe us with a $2,000 signing bonus.

That was aimed at the public, to make it look like a good offer. What we gain in wages—4 percent the first year, 3 percent the second, and 2 percent each following year—would be taken away by increases in the company’s proposed health-care plan.”

The union reports that higher premiums, out-of-pocket expenses, and larger deductibles would double health-care costs for members.

If that weren’t enough, the company has cut off medical coverage for locked-out workers. One sugar worker said that when she went to fill a prescription for heart medicine for her husband the evening of the contract vote, she was told the next 90-day supply will cost more than $500.

“We offered what we thought was a terrific contract,” Brian Ingulsrud, vice-president of American Crystal Sugar, told Associated Press. He said the company is “shocked and surprised” at the vote results.

According to Agweek, tensions escalated in the plants after the company introduced “shadowers,” or scabs, to learn workers’ jobs as part of its “contingency plan.” On July 18 Ingulsrud notified union workers to clear out their lockers and workspaces. The next day workers were told that “non-union personnel would be on-site during the week to observe various positions,” Agweek reported.

On the first day of the lockout, American Crystal began bringing in vanloads of “replacement workers.” They were hired by Strom Engineering, an anti-labor, scab-supply outfit.

In the days and weeks leading up to the contract deadline, hundreds of sugar workers organized protests in towns where the plants are located.

American Crystal is also demanding the ability to outsource work, to replace union work with nonunion contract workers, and to erode seniority. The company would have sole discretion on seniority rights.

Workers at American Crystal are organized into two tiers: year-round employees and so-called campaign workers, who work from the fall harvest through the beet-slicing campaign the next spring and receive worse wages and benefits. There are currently about 1,000 full-time and 263 campaign workers.

Under the prior contract, a worker qualifies as full time after working 75 percent of scheduled workdays in a year. The company is now seeking to raise the bar to 85 percent for all future workers.

That would mean a widening of the two-tier system.

Support for the locked-out BCTGM members is visible at the picket lines, both from union and nonunion workers. People driving by honk and give the thumbs up. Some donate water and food. In Moorhead a worker stopped his car in front of the pickets, rolled down his window, and yelled: “My union, the IBEW, called me and told me to come join the picket line.”

In Hillsboro signs expressing solidarity are up in the town’s bars. The owner of a block of stores donated an empty storefront to the union, which is now its headquarters.

In a letter to all locals in Teamsters Joint Council 32, covering Minnesota, Iowa, and North and South Dakota, council president Susan Mauren wrote: “We are asking that Teamsters do not provide services or make deliveries to any of the American Crystal Sugar facilities during this lockout.”
 

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