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A Modest Proposal


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A Modest Proposal by Dr. Jonathan Swift circa Ireland 1729

Has anybody read this? I have to write a 1000 word summary and response to this and i need a smart kid to explain it to me. I read it and could barely understand it. I think it is supposed to be a satirical essay using the idea of selling poor infants from poor families and /or unwed mothers for food to solve the problems of the Kingdom of Ireland in 1729.

At least I hope its satirical.



The problem I had understanding it is in the language.... for some reason I can't speak 18th century. So can anybody translate this for me into american?
 
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I read an abridged version years ago. What you have already posted is the gist of what I remember.

Ireland was in experiencing extreme famine due to potato blight, famine usually brings poverty. Swift was, satirically, suggesting that poor mothers of large families should sell their infants to be used as food by the rich as it would alleviate the food shortages by taking the children and turning them into a delicacy rather than a liability. Since they would sell for a high price it would also serve to raise the poor out of poverty.


I believe it was in response to some other equally ridiculous, but seriously suggested, ideas coming out of the parliamentary body. Stuff along the same stupid lines as Marie Antionette's "If they have no bread then let them eat cake".
 
I've heard of it and I think the line about loving children "baked, boiled, or broiled" that some comedian used...maybe WC Fields...was in reference to that.

I googled it and found the wiki version that mentions Swift may have been influenced by earlier works on solving the same problems (hunger, overpopulation, poverty et al) in a different era...I won't go into details because that would spoil the fun and true value of the intended learning experience...

I will say that having once been a teacher of small unruly children brought this very works to mind more than I'd care to mention...lol
 
Yep he meant it as satire. WC Fields, an old movie comedian in the way back days, adapted it by saying..."There's nothing wrong with children. I like children...if they're prepared properly."
 
Reminds me of Soylent Green.
Dave
 
Great, so how do I turn my 1 sentence summary into 500 words? and then get a 500 word summary plus a 200 word audience analysis by midnight? Glad the homework for all my other classes is done.... fortunately this is the only English class I have to take for an engineering degree.
 
Set the scene, the times he lived in and the problems of those times.
Also the wide gap between rich and poor

As a future engineer you should feel for his straight forward logic in problem solving.

Famine is when there are more mouths to feed than food to eat.
Children are extra mouths to feed
If you eliminate the children then there is more food per person
If you eat those children then there is even more food.
If you can sell those children then those with the most children, the poor, would be more inclined to go along with this logic and be better off economically for it.
And they can always make more children.

It is a win win win

The idea of selling children that will be killed and eaten is instinctually repugnant to most(even at a profit, lol), that doesn't change the logic, just the practical implementation.

Vegetarians probably feel the same way about cows, pigs, sheep and chickens, although that would be a moral not instinctual repugnance.

So he makes a few points
Pure logic is correct but not always right, I think Mr. Spock said that to Kirk, lol
The simpliest most direct solution is not always the right solution, Occam's razor move over.

If you write something shocking people will talk about it and hopefully "think".
I don't think that Dr. Swift was making a moral comment as much as having a little fun with logic and problem solving.
i.e. The rich version of problem solving
problem: the ashtray is full in my car
solution: buy a new car

I don't think that qualifies as logic, but it is a 100% of the time, fixed the problem solution.
We poor people find it funny because it makes the rich look stupid.
In Dr. Swifts times the rich had enough food and eating human flesh would not be a big appeal to them, so make it a delicacy to trick them into buying the children.
The rich are stupid......
 
The famine was another example of British rule.

There were enough crops for the population but the land was in British control.

British needs were filled first then the remains were available to the masses.

Fine example of control and power at it's finest.

Ray
 
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its almost done. i will post my paper here after I publish it to black board for grading.
 
My paper. Enjoy.

Audience Analysis

The audience I am addressing consists of college students, generally falling between the ages of 18 and 24. It consists of a mix of males and females, and they are likely to have little to no knowledge of the history surrounding the writing of A Modest Proposal. I expect my audience to have little experience with the type of situation being addressed in the reading, and little knowledge of the circumstances surrounding the publication. Based on this, I would expect my audience to be biased against finding any positive merits to Swift’s proposal.

I have some things in common with my audience, because I am male and a college student. However, with an expected age gap of 10-15 years between myself and my audience I would be unsurprised to find that my audience and I have vastly different worldviews. Ideally, I would like them to see me as someone who can offer a fresh, unique perspective on a topic they likely find distasteful. If I can successfully project the image of a devil’s advocate, perhaps I can help my audience realize that there is always more than one side to any idea, and that not all writing should be taken at face value.

The Economic Stylings of Jonathan Swift

The essay, A Modest Proposal, was written by Jonathan Swift during a time of economic distress and was intended to get people thinking about how to best alleviate this distress. In the beginning of the essay, the author details the numerous citizens of Ireland that do not contribute to their own welfare, let alone the welfare of the country in general. He includes not only the beggars that live on the streets, but also those families that are unable to support their children without help from others. Focusing on the children of these beggars and poor families, Swift begins to look at how best to turn these children into contributing members of the kingdom of Ireland who can “contribute to the feeding, and partly to the cloathing of many thousands” (par. 4).

He first discusses how children cannot be employed in any productive capacity for many years. Then he remarks that “a boy or a girl before twelve years old, is no saleable commodity” (Swift, par. 7), and then the price one would receive is not enough to compensate for the raising of the child. Finally, he turns to the crux of the essay: selling infant children for food. This practice, he maintains, would have several major benefits for Ireland as a whole, and for many of the citizens individually.

The first of these benefits is that, due to their prolific breeding, the number of Papists (Catholics) would be reduced. Since “the number of Popish infants, is at least three to one in this kingdom” (Swift, par. 13), there would be more Catholic infants sold that Protestant. Next, those tenants who have little or no valuables will be able to pay their landlords either by selling children for money or by trading children to the landlord in exchange for the rent. Third, the amount of money normally used to support these children will be available for other uses, and the money used for the sale of the infants will remain in circulation in Ireland rather than going to foreign countries. Another benefit is that those women who have children frequently will be “rid of the charge of maintaining them after the first year” (Swift, par. 24). Fifth, the introduction of new dishes using the meat of infants will increase business at taverns and such where there are skilled chefs employed. Finally, Swift maintains that his proposal will result in more men marrying (rather than simply sleeping with the women), and will help ensure that women are better treated by their spouses when pregnant, since the resulting infant will represent an increase in income rather than a financial burden.

Swift then concludes the essay by discussing several other possibilities for improving the lot of Ireland. He rejects each for different reasons. However, he does maintain that he is open to hearing other proposals, “I am not so violently bent upon my own opinion, as to reject any offer, proposed by wise men, which shall be found equally innocent, cheap, easy, and effectual” (Swift, par. 32), and finishes by stating that his proposal is made solely to help the public as he would be unable to profit from it himself.

On a personal level, I feel that Johnathan Swift is a warped and twisted individual. It takes a seriously disturbed mind to come up with the idea of eating children to improve a country, even if it was meant in a satirical manner. However, I am impressed by the logic he used in outlining his proposal.

If you step back from the moral implications of the idea, and examine it from a purely economic perspective, the idea of selling and eating infants to stimulate the economy is nothing less than pure genius. First, his idea would have reduced the number of people in Ireland, and the longer that his solution was in play the greater that reduction would have been. Regardless of the reason for the reduction, less people means less strain on the food sources and on the economy in general. In addition, that reduction of population would have resulted in an increase in the available food for the remaining populace. This provides two net improvements for the nation of Ireland.

Another positive effect of this proposal is that it would stimulate existing industries (such as taverns, butchers, etc…). It would also create new industries such as tanners who specialized in working with infant’s skin, cobblers and creators of other fine accessories using infant skin and hair, and even merchants who could export items made from infant skin and hair. These new industries would provide Ireland with economic growth and increase the wealth of the country.

While these are all positive effects of Swift’s proposal, it is important to realize that Ireland is not alone on the Earth. Thus, the global ramifications should be considered when examining a proposal such as this. Namely, even if Ireland could look past the moral ramifications of this proposal it is unlikely that the rest of the world would be capable of doing the same. Instead, it is likely that some countries would find the practice so abhorrent that they would launch a campaign against Ireland. This could result in a wartime situation. However, the introduction of a war would likely stimulate the Irish economy (as is the case with most wars), and reduce the population of the country as well. Thus, no matter what the outcome of Swift’s proposal, it is likely the end results would have been beneficial for the Irish economy.



References​

Swift, Jonathan. “A Modest Proposal.” 1729. Project Gutenberg. Ed. David Widger. 27 July 2008. Project Gutenberg. Web. 26 Jan. 2014.
 
Well geez...it only took you four hours to write 500 words? Must been watching Nintendo or doing Grand Theft Auto at the same time. Reads well though...what kinda grade did you engineer with this masterpiece?
 
Yeah, and not even a good recipe for Baked Alaskan Baby...ah, well, you might make the grade...but I think you should have mentioned the influence and that his idea may have actually been borrowed from someone else
 
it is 1167 words not counting in text citations and the reference line. plus the "o" key randomly sticks on my laptop. And I had to learn how to use word 2010. As far as grade, got no idea. this is the first draft and it has been submitted for peer review. Won't be graded for 2 weeks.

and thank you.


Yeah, and not even a good recipe for Baked Alaskan Baby...ah, well, you might make the grade...but I think you should have mentioned the influence and that his idea may have actually been borrowed from someone else

I will put that in the final draft..... son as I find a source to cite.
 
Interesting paper, and for the love of God, don't let the Obama administration see this or the original document by Swift!! :P

I would probably put a short paragraph in the paper as to why Swift wrote that letter. Might put some light on it as to why he was advocating cannibalism, even if it was satirical in nature. Hope you get a good grade on it tho.

AJ
 

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