99+ m5r2 starter questions

[RangerFabWorks]

Quick question. Im using the 99+ m5odr2 trans from a 4.2 f150 in my ranger. I have the clutch and flywheel from a 95 f150.

what starter do I use? The one for the 99 f150. Or the one for the 95?
Thanks.

 

[bobbywalter]

95

 

[RangerFabWorks]

95

tis what I purchased. But no workie. Grinds like hell.

 

[bobbywalter]

Did you use a 95 flywheel and clutch for a 150?

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

tis what I purchased. But no workie. Grinds like hell.

What engine separator plate did you use?

The "correct" one has a slightly bigger hole so the starter won't fully index into the plate if the plate isn't right.

SBF Engine Seperator Plates

The whole thing came about when I tried to reuse the 4.2 seperator plate I got with my M5ODR2 with a '96 302 starter. The starter hole was just barely too small. The plate from my C5 was identical but didn't have a neat little foam seal around the crank. Faced with the rather terrifying...

www.therangerstation.com

 

[bobbywalter]

Yeah.....for sure the plate has to be for a v8 manual....92to98

 

[RangerFabWorks]

Clutch and flywheel are from a 95 f150. Separator plate is from some ford. But the hole is big enough.

only way the starter doesn’t grind to hell is if I shim the hell out of it. Talking almost half an inch

so either I somehow got an automatic starter. Or somethings wacky

 

[RangerFabWorks]

Ok. The 03 starter doesn’t work at all. We can put that to rest. Gonna guess I got a bad starter at work. So I’ll order one from elsewhere and report back.

 

[bobbywalter]

Clutch and flywheel are from a 95 f150. Separator plate is from some ford. But the hole is big enough.

only way the starter doesn’t grind to hell is if I shim the hell out of it. Talking almost half an inch

so either I somehow got an automatic starter. Or somethings wacky

The hole is one thing..

...the indexing is the other ...

There is a 3/8 offset potential on nose cones...but a 92 to 96 150 starter 35/36/37 style. 37 iirc fits it.

Summit has the right block plates

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FORD Summit Racing SUM-700600 Summit Racing™ Bellhousing Separator Plates | Summit Racing

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[RangerFabWorks]

Thanks Bobby

 

[RangerFabWorks]

Turned out to be a bad starter. Got a motorcraft one and it fit perfect and sounds good.

 

[SpunkyPrep]

Huh. Bad starter?
I've got a 351w from a 1997 F250 mated to a M5R2 out of a, i believe, 1996 F150.
Flywheel should be same as motor. ended up using a shifter and shifter stub out of a 1998 F150, M5R1 trans. Works, so not knocking it.

Problem we're having is starters. There is a separator plate between bell housing and engine block, and the guy at the shop ended up using an additional shim-type spacer between the starter and the housing. I should have taken pictures of the damage to the starter gear when i was there, but i forgot. This is apparently the second starter they've gone through. Is the most likely option that the starters were just bad? They got them from O`Riley's, and i can't imagine two are bad brand new out of the box. It seems to me that the starter pinion isn't fully disengaging from the flywheel after cranking.
Transmission guy swears it can't possibly be that the pinion on the starter is staying interfaced with the flywheel due to not enough spacer and that the starters themselves had to be faulty, but that doesn't jive with what i saw.

Trust the dude with 25+ yrs experience rebuilding and dealing with transmission issues as a profession, or contradict his assessment based on my observations and intuition based on apparent damage on the pinion gear?

Included picture looks exactly like the damage i witnessed at the shop.

Sorry to zombie a post, but the issue seemed similar to my situation and i didn't want to arbitrarily create a new thread when it already is discussed elsewhere.