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302 build help


Mr.Stewart302

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1991
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hi I've got a 91 ranger xlt super cab. im about to get a 302 from the junkyard and completly strip it. im going to have the block boiled and bored .030 over. i'd like it to make around 425 horsepower when im done. im going to carburet it. i just wanted some advice from some one who has build a 302 on parts to use. thanks in advanced for any help!!!
 
For what your wanting just go buy the 347 Stroker crate engine from Edelbrock. I have around 4K in my 347 and don't think Im near the 400 mark. Unless you know a fantastic engine builder, personally,(or can do it yourself) its gonna cost a ton to make what you want.
 
To make it, you'll want to pick a set of flat top pistons with as close to a 1.610 pin height (also known as compression height) Have the block decked to true up the decks. Also start with a roller block. Your choice of heads as close to AFR185's as possible. High rise dual plane intake (RPM, Weiand Stealth, Ford A321, etc) You can choose from several off the shelf cams from the Ford HO cam on up. Top it with a 650-700 Holley carb.
 
To make it, you'll want to pick a set of flat top pistons with as close to a 1.610 pin height (also known as compression height) Have the block decked to true up the decks. Also start with a roller block. Your choice of heads as close to AFR185's as possible. High rise dual plane intake (RPM, Weiand Stealth, Ford A321, etc) You can choose from several off the shelf cams from the Ford HO cam on up. Top it with a 650-700 Holley carb.

i've been told afr 165cc aluminum heads are good for a near 100 pony's. add that too some line boring and head-block true-ing and you should be near your mark. also headers and dual 2.5" exhaust should top it off nicely
 
Yea, I'd pick the 165's too, but the 185's are the first ones that made over 400 horses with a stock HO shortblock and cam.
 
thanks guys those heads look great and i've got a nice holly picked out in summit any cam ideas?has anyone used the comp cam "thumper"?? thanks
 
thanks guys those heads look great and i've got a nice holly picked out in summit any cam ideas?has anyone used the comp cam "thumper"?? thanks

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remember more aggressive cam means more power at the cost of torque and milage. if you make 450 ponys but only at 7 grand thats pretty gay. i would rather have 350 for 2000-5000 than 450 at 6k+rpms. than you gotta run a crazy big carb and if you dont keep the revs up it will bog and so its loud and "revvy" as some have put it
 
yeah your right thanks jaymegriffiths..im thinking 750cfm holly unless you kno of something better??
 
yeah your right thanks jaymegriffiths..im thinking 750cfm holly unless you kno of something better??

You'll be happier with a smaller carb, something like an 80783 650 or a 670 Street Avenger. In a double pumper, either a 600 or a 650. Nothing larger.
 
im not saying your wrong but y smaller??

Why smaller? Thats easy. We're talking carbs here, not EFI. Carbs need vacuum to function corectlyand that's what pulls the fuel from the bowls into the venturis. The fuel pump only supplies the bowls with fuel, it does not pump fuel directly into the engine like on an EFI motor. The bigger the carb, the less vacuum signal it'll see under the venturis, and that's not good at lower rpms when the secondarys open too soon (as when using a mechanical secondary carb) Now, a bigger carb WILL work, but it'll do it at better at higher rpms . A smaller carb is what you want for a street vehicle that rarely sees the upper rpms. A smaller carb will see a stronger vacuum signal, making the venturis work better in atomizing the fuel. The only thing a small carb will do is at some point in the upper rpms, limit the engines ability to make power, at that point it becomes a restriction. And what rpm it does that at is anyone's guess, but I can tell you it won't be anywhere near where you think it will, it'll be somewhere above what you normally will use it on the street. ONLY on a dedicated race motor would you want the biggest carb the engine will need. My Ranger's roller 302 has a Holley 570 carb on it. It pulls to 6000 rpms, where the cam and heads and valvetrain limit the power. My 331 has three Holley 250's on it, it pulls to 7000 rpms, where the cam heads and intake limit the power. Both have excellant street manners in the lower rpms (off idle to redline) The 331's center carb, although rated at 250 cfms, is enough carb to feed the engine at 4500 rpms,which is about 90 mph. At that point, it's actually flowing about 365 cfms. The carb cfm rating is an arbitrary number, what it actually will flow is dependent on the engine it's bolted to. So just becasue you think a smaller carb will choke the motor in the upper rpms, that's not always the case. That is why when it comes to carbs, smaller is always better choice than larger.
 
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hi I've got a 91 ranger xlt super cab. im about to get a 302 from the junkyard and completly strip it. im going to have the block boiled and bored .030 over. i'd like it to make around 425 horsepower when im done. im going to carburet it. i just wanted some advice from some one who has build a 302 on parts to use. thanks in advanced for any help!!!

Depends. Is that 425 at the crank or at the wheels? What are your goals with the truck?
 
im not saying your wrong but y smaller??

like mister 457 bad dad said, 750 would be too big for your application. i've heard of "demon" carbs being ane xcellent carb, and although a little pricey will be worth the extra in the hassle it saves you. like mentioned, a 650 would be plenty, and the only place you'll lose is HIGH rpms, lik 6k+. the bottom end power will outdo a 750carbed engine anyways. unless your running like 6.13 gears and 23" tires or something. lol
building your engines internals will decide how your engine lasts and how much poer it will make. here's something to go for. for every dollar you spend on performance parts, expect to spend a dollar balancing and preparing your engine to handle it. so if you spend 1500 bucks on power adders, expect to pay 1500 for correct blueprinting, fire-ringing, balancing, etc. i'd say to make 450 CRANK HP, aim for a budget of $3k for a budget build, or $4k for a high milage engine.(200,000miles kinda deal)
 
Why smaller? Thats easy. We're talking carbs here, not EFI. Carbs need vacuum to function corectlyand that's what pulls the fuel from the bowls into the venturis. The fuel pump only supplies the bowls with fuel, it does not pump fuel directly into the engine like on an EFI motor. The bigger the carb, the less vacuum signal it'll see under the venturis, and that's not good at lower rpms when the secondarys open too soon (as when using a mechanical secondary carb) Now, a bigger carb WILL work, but it'll do it at better at higher rpms . A smaller carb is what you want for a street vehicle that rarely sees the upper rpms. A smaller carb will see a stronger vacuum signal, making the venturis work better in atomizing the fuel. The only thing a small carb will do is at some point in the upper rpms, limit the engines ability to make power, at that point it becomes a restriction. And what rpm it does that at is anyone's guess, but I can tell you it won't be anywhere near where you think it will, it'll be somewhere above what you normally will use it on the street. ONLY on a dedicated race motor would you want the biggest carb the engine will need. My Ranger's roller 302 has a Holley 570 carb on it. It pulls to 6000 rpms, where the cam and heads and valvetrain limit the power. My 331 has three Holley 250's on it, it pulls to 7000 rpms, where the cam heads and intake limit the power. Both have excellant street manners in the lower rpms (off idle to redline) The 331's center carb, although rated at 250 cfms, is enough carb to feed the engine at 4500 rpms,which is about 90 mph. At that point, it's actually flowing about 365 cfms. The carb cfm rating is an arbitrary number, what it actually will flow is dependent on the engine it's bolted to. So just becasue you think a smaller carb will choke the motor in the upper rpms, that's not always the case. That is why when it comes to carbs, smaller is always better choice than larger.

i was not insulting you this is my first motor build that me and a buddy are going to do. im just trying to learn and thank you for the info!!
 

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