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2 cats.


RGMs03

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03 ranger xlt, why are there two catalytic converters? Does it need them both? Will it pass smog in california with one? I know when had my honda and replaced the cat with a test pipe it gained quite a bit of powe. The double cat seems a bit much. Also what about gutting them, or does any one know if any company makes a cat delete.
 
I saw a cat delete (test pipe) setup for an older 3.0/4.0 Ranger/Explorer on EBay. It said that they will likely be unable to sell them in a short time, so get them while you can. i was actually wondering if i could find a flange to match the crossover pipe flange without chopping apart my converter so i could fabricate something, but so far have had no luck finding one. We don't have emissions testing on vehicles without OBD2 anymore, and mine's a '93. i just wanted to hang on to the cat in case they change the laws or something. It's pretty crusty being that i'm from the rust belt and i don't know if it is working anymore anyway.

However, California has the most strict emissions standards in the states, and i know it will not pass without them. Also with your year truck, you likely have 3 or 4 oxygen sensors, with at least one of them behind the cat. It might affect how your truck runs to remove the cats. i believe it is also highly illegal for anyone to do that kind of work in your state, so it would be difficult to get it done if you don't do it yourself.
 
i believe it is also highly illegal for anyone to do that kind of work in your state, so it would be difficult to get it done if you don't do it yourself.

It is illegal in every state for vehicles built with cats after 1979 (Federal Law)......... Last I saw it was a $2000 fine......... If caught of course.:bawling:
 
Not worth it... You might gain 1/2 a hp... They aren't really as big a restriction as everyone thinks... Look inside one and you can see straight through it...
 
with your year truck, you likely have 3 or 4 oxygen sensors, with at least one of them behind the cat. It might affect how your truck runs to remove the cats. .

what kind of problems could it create? i know when i put a test pipe on my crx the only problem was the engine check light was always on, but then again it was an 89. this being my first newer auto mobile, im not up to date on what kinds of problems could be created by mods like this.
One of the bigger reasons for doing the mod other than power gain is i think one or both of them may be going out (getting that bad smell sometimes) and when looking at prices at places like NAPA, Kragen, parts train, A direct fit replacement which includes both cats is around 360$- 454$ and it does mention they arent legal for CALI as well as the universals which seem to run anywhere from 60$-170$ x2 since ineed two. I cant even find any online that are legal for CALI use. My local exhaust shop wants just shy of 600 for both cats and they arent even direct fit. i'd hate to see how much ford would charge. i did find the test pipe on E-Bay that Geeshik mentioned and they are 79$ i know there was the problem with the o2 sensors but i think they can be found with o2 bung and if i cant find one i can probably modify it my self possibly even custom do a complete one with the right material.
Also i have seen some of the universal cats that will accept 2 o2 sensors would that work?
 
That 'bad smell' just means that the catalytic is working. A cat is only bad if it clogs up or rusts out. The bad smell comes from the catalyst reacting with the unburnt fuel in your exhaust; usually under heavy acceleration. Do you have a check engine light on or something?

Your CRX was much older and less technical than your truck. It had one o2 sensor before the cat. New vehicles typically have at least one before and one after the cat. (modern V-configured engines often have double the sensors.) You could say that the one after the cat is something that they added to prevent people from tampering with the cats. i could be wrong, but i'm pretty sure the readings that they take can affect your timing and air/fuel mixture. i think it also provides input to the rest of the emissions system.

I had a 2001 Subaru a couple years ago that i fought with. i had a check engine light that would not quit. i tried everything; replacing exhaust manifold gaskets, o2 sensors, and eventually the cat. i bought an aftermarket "direct-fit" cat set for the car from Eastern Catalytic for just shy of 400 bones. After putting it on, the CEL would stay off for longer, but the so-called direct fit cat had one too many 02 sensor holes, and the cheap support broke off a week after it was installed. In addition to that, it also destroyed my rear transmission mount. i had headache after headache, and with lots of buyers remorse, i wished i had bought the $700 OEM cat from Subaru. i began trying to figure out a way to do away with the whole mess (cat and all) but due to the computer and the setup it had, i couldn't. i ended up just running the car with the CEL on. i sold it that way. The downstream 02 sensor was the problem. i wasn't the only one dealing with all of that crap. There are little units you can hook up to the wiring to fool the system, but they are very expensive and hard to find.

I can totally see the advantages of getting rid of a cat though. There are small, but significant mileage improvements, weight improvements, and longer exhaust/suspension/underbody part life due to lower temperatures. i could say the same for every piece of emissions junk on our engines today. i've resolved to myself that older vehicles are the way to go; the simpler the better. i like my '93 because it has crank windows, a manual trans, no EGR system, and it's simple to work on. It still has a cat, but then, nothing is as quite as simple as my '70 F250 was. i guess that's the price we pay for safety, saving the planet, convenience, and comfort. Also, it could be worse. It could be a diesel particulate filter/regeneration canister.
 
The O2 sensor upstream from the cat is the one that the PCM uses to monitor air-fuel ratio. The one downstream (after) the cat is the one that is used to monitor the cat itself. If too much fuel is sensed after the cat, then the PCM knows that the cat isn't doing it's job, and it will trigger a catalyst inefficiency code.
 
thanks for the help guys, i appreciate your time. sounds like ill be sticking with the cats on the ranger, and will just be looking foward to the mid 70's chevy stepside with a bored out 350 i might be picking up off my uncle for fixing the transmision on it.
 
The first smaller cats are pre-cats that light off before the larger one is hot enough to work properly.
There is a company called Random Technology that makes a pre-cat eliminator pipe for 4.0 Sport Tracs (it might fit a 4.0 SOHC Ranger, I don't know) and peoples' trucks will pass emissions with it. It picks up a good bit of power and mpg.
 
so the other night my brother and i gutted the cat on his turbo pt cruiser with the stage 1 mopar kit. i would say gutting the cat deffinately helped the performace and has noticebly increased the mpg. sounds good too.
i plan on gutting at least one of the cats on my ranger when i get back home, especially since i just smogged itwont have to again til 2011
btw could not see right through it like beanmachine said
 
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There's a cat debate on every automotive forum. It seems the general consensus is that you'll see little to no increase in performance, and the only thing you'll "accomplish" is F-ing up the environment that much more. Any increase in performance you may see is going to pale in comparison to any of countless other performance mods you can do anyway. Unless of course you're that damn broke and don't care about the planet.
 
There's a cat debate on every automotive forum. It seems the general consensus is that you'll see little to no increase in performance, and the only thing you'll "accomplish" is F-ing up the environment that much more. Any increase in performance you may see is going to pale in comparison to any of countless other performance mods you can do anyway. Unless of course you're that damn broke and don't care about the planet.

+1... and if you can't see through it it was probably clogged...
 
i wouldnt be doing it for performance first of all and on top of that i never claimed a big power increase but a definate difference from having it to not. driving the car b4 and after i did notice better throttle response as well as my brother who has driven it daily for years. he has noticed the increase in mpg as it is his daily driver. i dont think the ranger need both cats considering v8s dont even have 2 in fact i have never even seen another car with two cats. thats why i said i plan on gutting 1 of them. if i dont get the same result as my brother with the throttle response and increase mpg oh well at least itll sound better. btw theres way worse things for the environment
 
Sadly this thread will be closed soon......

My 04 has 3 cats!!!!

my 97 has a muffler.... for now. my cat malfuncted from ill use of a cutting torch to stop a rattle. and they want darn high dollars for the high flow ones!!!

Frank
 

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