2.9 15% ethanol?

[Andy D]

Wabbout solar powered refrigeration to cool the side mounted beer holders hat? Something the size of a 10 gallon hat, so you could charge your smart phone too

 

[shane96ranger]

Yeah, adsm is once again spot on in all aspects. While I do believe that man can alter certain parts of the environment, global warming is a farce.




......speaking of air quality, I'm about to experience the famous Salt Lake winter inversion.

 

[enjr44]

I believe that global warming is real. What I don't believe is that humans are causing it (well maybe just a tad). The earth's warmest period was before there were humans or even mammals over a couple of inches long.

Maybe the dinosaurs did it!!!

 

[Mark_88]

Yeah, adsm is once again spot on in all aspects. While I do believe that man can alter certain parts of the environment, global warming is a farce.




......speaking of air quality, I'm about to experience the famous Salt Lake winter inversion.

I think I've tried that...I eat chili and drink beer and hang upside down when I fart so it doesn't knock me out...or gross me out...

Is that the same thing you do in Salt Lake?

 

[adsm08]

Ron, global warming is not real. First, the 1.5*F claim is bull since the margin of error on that statistic is 3*. Second, accurate records were not kept as far back as 1880. Not on a global scale anyway. Third, the polar ice caps are not receding at the predicted rates, in fact the the polar ice caps were bigger this year than they were 10 years ago.

Remember back to the 70s, I don't know for sure but I suspect you may be old enough to remember this, when global cooling was the big environmental scare that was pulling in the big bucks in government research grants. According to those guys the Earth should be an uninhabitable block of ice by now. Those were the same chicken little idiots that are still crying the sky is falling, and 40 years later they are still wrong.


Now you are correct that corn is about the worst possible crop to use for producing fuel alcohol. Sugar cane is the best, but most of the US doesn't produce sugar cane. Also, the sugar cane farmers don't put as much money into campaign funds as the corn farmers do. If ethanol in gas fuel dries up federal subsidies to the farmers go away, and then there go all those campaign donations.

 

[alwaysFlOoReD]

adsm08; It seems that these records refute what you are saying about polar ice caps, the records show a steady decline since records have started to be kept in 1979. There is variability which explains the blip you talk about but the average is getting smaller.
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/WorldOfChange/sea_ice.php
IMO whether global warming is a natural phenomenon or man made is kind of moot, it is happening. Some areas are going to benefit, more are not.

 

[adsm08]

Ok....

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattve...-it-showed-the-resilience-of-sea-ice-n2031574

 

[Andy D]

The thing is the last global warming was millions of yrs ago and occurred over millions of yrs. The earth's atmosphere was different then. instead of 20% O2 at present , it was 40% . It was warm moist and lush. Plants abounded and the animals were huge. When was Antarctica. last ice free? In the Cretaceous.

I don't know anything about the creds of the guy who wrote it. He said that in 50-75 yrs there will be transpolar shipping from Europe to Canada that will cut 2 days off shipping. Ice free seasons at first.

Hey I got no axes to grind in this. It is what it is. Something so large and all encompassing. I mostly just read with amazement about the crazy weather in other regions. Meantime our weather which is largely affected by the ocean that I live 2 miles from. It always is active, but mellowed by the ocean's temperature. And I do know that 50 yrs ago, winters were colder. So all opinions are welcome. Everybody talks about the weather, but nobody does anything,

 

[RonD]

yes, there is a lot of debate about this, and yes statistics can be skewed in whatever direction you want in climate changes because there are so many factors involved.
Even the biggest and fastest computers ever made can't get climate 100% right, it is quite simply........beyond our current knowledge.
A climate expert is the same as a women expert, knows just enough to be wrong most of the time, lol.

Best guess at this time is that the northern hemisphere is warming, and that seems to be a normal if not predictable cycle.

The Sahara desert, second largest land desert, antarctic is first, was created by climate change, 12,000 years ago it was a grassland with lakes and rivers where humans built towns, 5,000 years ago it is what we see today, so it wasn't an overnight change but it did change.
This wasn't global warming just a shift in climate, best guess on this one is the earths axis tilt, which varies from 22deg to 24deg in 21,000 years, we are at 23.4deg now and heading towards 22deg, but it is just a best guess from the "experts".
Tilt movement is real, no guessing on that, climate changes from the change in tilt is the guessing part.

And the earth's yearly wobble in its average tilt is what gives us summer and winter in the first place, so the main tilt of 22-24deg can be important.

 

[alwaysFlOoReD]

Ok....

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattve...-it-showed-the-resilience-of-sea-ice-n2031574

Interesting read. Anecdotally, my grandfather used to haul hay across the Fraser river by Mission, BC in winter. It doesn't freeze over any more. I realize that there is more than one view on this, but I believe it's getting warmer where I am. In some ways it will be beneficial, but to whom is a great question. You can be sure that big corporations will reap as much as they can, especially up north.

 

[Andy D]

The world has slowly been warming since the early 1800s. 1816 was known as 1800-and froze to death. Due to a volcanic eruption, ash blocked the sun. in my area, frost went deeper into the ground than it does today. When you live to be an old fart in one place all your life, you experience a lot of weather. I remember my father telling me, that the boards he just bought from a fellow who was born in 1870 . Decker Hatch told dad that when he was a kid they used to move houses with oxen once the ground froze. Oxen would mire in today's winters. I worked outdoors on 2nd shift from 1978 to '86 and it was darn chilly. We worked in single digits F plus or minus for overnight lows Dec-Mar. Snow was welcome because it came off the water and was wahm When you could smell the soap plant on the showah , it was going to be a warm night.

 

[Mark_88]

Many years ago while researching the so-called causes of cancer I ran across a few studies on radioactive fallout and the researchers were, literally, stunned by their findings. It is now common knowledge, but what they found in the 60s and 70s (maybe earlier) was that air pollution could hop from one season to the next through rainfall, evaporation, and seasonal temperatures rising and falling.

This hop caused air pollution from the deep south of the US to hop its way all the way up to the arctic in the north. They were actually tracking tritium fallout from atmospheric nuclear weapons testing and couldn't figure out how so much tritium could end up in the ice around the north pole.

What does this mean in terms of global warming and everything else?

My pet theory that everything happening these days is happening as a staged diversion for an even bigger boondoggle...it is a means of diverting our attention to crimes against humanity carried out by the "nuclear club"...including Canada, Russia, France, the US, and the UK...now including China...and soon to include India, North Korea, and possibly Iran and others...

The nuclear club is getting bigger, spreading more and more toxic cancer causing pollution into our air, water, and food so that we can inhale, ingest, and absorb it...a true "crime against humanity"...

By Henry Winkler...