2.7/3.5 EcoBoost to stock 4x4 driveline?

[Ranger850]

So, No 4wd EB f150 has ever been built?

 

[adsm08]

So, No 4wd EB f150 has ever been built?

Where in the world did you get that idea.

I've had a replace on oil pan (twice) on a 2.7L 4x4 SCrew.

In fact most of the 2wd ones I see are the naturally aspirated V6.

 

[sgtsandman]

The issue with the oil pans is that the are sealed with this new TA357 RTV sealer and no gasket (until mid 2018 MY when someone figured out how to get their head out of their ass).

The sealer sticks hard to most things, but requires near surgical cleanliness and incredibly precise surface prep to actually seal anything. If you don't prep the surface correctly you have a plastic pan glued to a metal block with sealer that will leak like a sieve. The oil pans themselves also have to be prepped, which is done at the factory, and they can't have the sealer cleaned off and be re-prepped because they are plastic. This means if you have to remove one it can't be reused.

Also, the TA357 is so sensitive that touching the sealing surface of an unused oil pan with your bare skin ruins the adhesion promoter and the pan is junk.

That is concerning. They didn't do the same thing with the transmission pans on the 10 speed transmissions, did they? At least the one on my 2019 Ranger is plastic. Not happy about that. I would even less so if it's a one time use item.

 

[Ranger850]

Where in the world did you get that idea.

The OP wanted 2.7l or 3.5l engine, so different bellhousing pattern than the 2.3l Duratec or Ecoboost used in Rangers

Yes you can convert an M5R1 from 2wd to 4wd, and visa versa, by swapping tail shafts and tail shaft housings, its not simple but certainly do-able

Why not just use the 4wd trans with the 3.5 ecoboost engine from a 4wd

 

[stmitch]

Why not just use the 4wd trans with the 3.5 ecoboost engine from a 4wd

That's fine if you're ok having an auto trans. If you want a manual, you'll need to find another option.

 

[don4331]

The 4wd trans that comes with the 3.5 EB is either 6 or 10 spd automatic. So, now you can't use the Ford Motorsport control pack, you need to use the control module out of the vehicle you pulled the engine out of.

And the control module is linked to the ABS, and Electronic stability control. So, now you are wiring and reprogramming an automatic transmission, ABS and ESC module. And they need reprogramming because unless you are putting the drivetrain into something very similar in size/dynamics i.e. Rust's '79 F-150, you "fool" the sensors which can lead to really bad things e.g. instead of ESC preventing rollover, it causes rollover. As a result, the aftermarket has been slow to venture into this market - you have to figure out how to delete all electronic nannies without harming rest of drivetrain.

Reverse engineering takes time and money, so there needs to sufficient market that wants (can afford) a 3,5EB rather than say 5.0.

 

[Ranger850]

1% chance means it's do-able. It can be done, just have to be the most resourceful Ford Engineer on the planet. LOL

 

[Snoranger]

1% chance means it's do-able. It can be done, just have to be the most resourceful Ford Engineer on the planet. LOL

 

[Ranger850]

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Exactly the meme i need. Lol

 

[lil_Blue_Ford]

I probably shouldn’t have ventured into this because now it has me thinking ?

 

[Lee daMet]

Wow....... I know Ford has to let ‘stupid’ out of it’s cage every now and then. Sounds like that’s where it landed. On the early 2.7’s. Seems like they do stuff like that just for fun. By the way I used to mechanic at Ford dealerships when I was younger. I didn’t like the things that they were doing. So I got into electronics. And yup, not much better. Anyways, puts food on the table. I like the things that have been brought up. A lot of thought is gonna go into this. If I do this I will document everything And share it. Be safe, have fun.

 

[Lee daMet]

Oh and I came Up with the idea looking at Ford v6 engines. I understand new v6’s are wide an was curious about the little 2.7 . I mean, I read it has 300 something horses and ~400 lb ft torque. Bout what my drive train can handle. That’s why.......

 

[RonD]

Yes, 90deg V engines are usually wider than 60deg V engines and Over Head Cams are wider than OHV V engines

The Cologne V6 used in Rangers(2.8l, 2.9l. 4.0l OHV or 4.0l SOHC) were a 60deg V's

 

[Lee daMet]

I thought that the deck height might be short enough to not hit a/c box.

 

[19Walt93]

I suspect the plastic oil pan was used to save weight for the CAFE average, just like the plastic rear covers on 8.8's, plastic intake manifolds on a bunch of engines, and the aluminum bodies on F150's. As a bonus in New England, plastic oil pans don't rust. I lost count of the rusted truck oil pans we replaced over the years.