110 mpg mustang?

[Stumpy]

I thought this was interesting, its hard to dig through the bogus claims of getting more mpg out of a car. But this idea seems to actually work... it'll be interesting to wait and see how this car performs when they manufacture it.

here is the article:
http://www.autobloggreen.com/2009/05/05/e85-revenge-verde-a-110-mpge-super-car-coming-in-december/


and here is a link to the inventor's website:

http://www.hp2g.com/homeofhp2g.html


of course he doesn't go into detail on how he makes the internal combustion engine more efficient, he does say that it involves better cooling and very high compression.

Ran across this the other day... take it for what it's worth.

 

[Tedybear]

hummmmm.... I'd have to see it to believe it. Far to many b/s claims for products and services that did nothing to improve fuel mileage (other then lightening up the drivers wallet of cash)

Show me the how and specs....then I'll believe.

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[Duggo]

I'll believe it when I see it. Why set up your own factory? If this really works, lease your patent to the big 3, save the industry, and knock bill gates off the top spot on the Forbes list.

 

[PickupMan04 FX4 L2]

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[JD22]

Rubbish. The first response on the website you provided says it all.

 

[LearjetMinako]

As much as it is to believe. It just might be done. Thou too many b/s claims before kind of hard to actually truely believe in it.

 

[wrecking-crew]

i dunno, my buddy has/had a friend who tinkered with engines alot.....he said the guy built a 50 mpg 350 and it was bult for power but still got the 50 mpg

 

[feellnfroggy]

i dont see why it cant be done, if honda can make a 300 hp 3.0 that gets 30 mpg. or a 240 hp 4 cyl that gets 35 mpg. its problem is cost. The big three would laugh them right outta detroit at the cost of production. conversion kits i see be 17k or more. GM got their @$$es handed to them for flying a big expensive jet when asking for bailout, why would they even think about trying to sell an idea like that let alone a production car.

It can be done and prolly will be but it will stay small scale until technology reveals the cheap way. Plus the engine has to last halfway through the financing period. That way they can keep people in deficit buying new cars every three years.

 

[Nhaz]

There is almost no info on that website. And zero info on how he does it. And the only info I got was hes going to be producing 20 cars a day.

Which means its going to be 30 years before I see one. let alone drive one.

And why the heck did he pick one of the uglyer mustangs? the first link is wrong thats not a 85. 85's had 4 sealed beam glass lights.

 

[triumphrider-1]

Don't forget its MPGe (e for equivalent). Using the generally accepted "rule of thumb" (hehehe...Boondock Saints comes to mind every time I say that) for E85, roughly 30% less fuel economy, the acutal fuel economy may only be around 77mpg. But that number depends on what they use for a correction factor, for all I know they could be using 50%.

Still not a bad number. I think if they had a more aerodynamic car they could pad their figures a little bit more.

 

[Jay FX4]

Yeah it's that "e" that has me a little skeptical right now. I hope they're not trying to skew the numbers. But it's still got to be a major improvement for them to be boasting the way they are. I could have seen this car in person at NAIAS but it's the one part of the show I skipped.

 

[LittleHorse]

the article says that they're using pictures of the companies E85 converted Mustang from a show last year, because they don't have any pics of the actual car.

I would be pretty surprised to find that there's even enough energy in a gallon of E85 to push a car 110 miles. There IS a limit to how far you can go, even with an engine that's 100% efficient (a thermodynamic impossibility).

 

[JD22]

Don't forget its MPGe (e for equivalent). Using the generally accepted "rule of thumb" (hehehe...Boondock Saints comes to mind every time I say that)

LOVE that movie lol

 

[triumphrider-1]

I would be pretty surprised to find that there's even enough energy in a gallon of E85 to push a car 110 miles. There IS a limit to how far you can go, even with an engine that's 100% efficient (a thermodynamic impossibility).

Yeah, thats the part that has me scratching my head and saying "How?"

Another thought I have is that the 110MPGe is a theoretical calculation for the car (not the MPG that the mustang in the photos/videos is getting), since it is not built yet; and there is some "ideal" hypothesis in their calcs that are not the same as "real world".

 

[Nhaz]

I saw a article many years ago that basically said your average car is only getting to use about 3% of the available energy from said tank of gas. diesels about 7%.

most of the energy is lost in things like friction and heat.