crash in cali

[ranger_mclaren]

Saw on news this morning driver will not be charged but the federal land managment is going to look into more strict rules before they hand out permits.

 

[Hopman]

Saw on news this morning driver will not be charged but the federal land managment is going to look into more strict rules before they hand out permits.

Good thing the driver won't be charged. He'll have enough other problems to deal with.

 

[59bisquik]

Saw on news this morning driver will not be charged but the federal land managment is going to look into more strict rules before they hand out permits

That sounds like a pretty good deal. BLM also gave a thumbs up for a desert bike race this weekend and the upcoming MORE event!

 

[Original_Ranger84]

This is a perfect example of Bureau of Land Management letting people do whatever they want on federal land as long as they have a "permit". No one takes into consideration of safety at any of these events as long as you drop the money to the government for the event. This event has been going on this way for years and this was going to happen sooner or later, no barriers, no flagging, no nothing! I hope Mohove Desert Racing (MDR) gets banned from having events!

On public lands? On public lands?

Expose (and fire) who ever okayed this.

Hideous violation of the trust of public lands in the beautiful Mojave!

Does the public pay to clean up the mess of plastic bottles and and beer cans after? - and who is paying for the emergency costs - helicopters etc?

The organizers are responsible for these deaths as there were no safety measures at all, no guardrails, no space between the spectators and track. NO EMERGENCY PERSONNEL ? What ? I've been to Little League games that can't start until the ambulance or doctor is present.

Who would promote this ?

Safety first or no dice.

Not only do the spectators deserve a safe event, the drivers do too. These guys will never recover.

Investigation needed!

Whatever your views of off-road racing are, we should all be pulling for the victims of this terrible occurrence and their families. A fluke accident that will, I'm sure, have huge consequences for the entire off-road circuit.

I'm sorry you feel the need to tell everyone that this stuff should be banned because proper safety percautions weren't completely followed. But let me ask you this...

If there is a big jump and you know big trucks going 60 MPH off of it would you stand under it? No? Didn't think so, Even without the barrier the people should have had enough common sense to NOT stand under it.

Granted I do agree that they need to put tape or something up that says do not cross a hundred feet back or so... People will still climb over it but it will be their fault and their fault alone...

 

[d_man1]

i was actually at that race. was ****ing terrible! granted the smart people dont stand 2 feet away from the jumps or track....

 

[OilPatch197]

Granted I do agree that they need to put tape or something up that says do not cross a hundred feet back or so... People will still climb over it but it will be their fault and their fault alone...

In general, a party who has caused an injury or loss to another in consequence of his negligence is responsible for all the consequences. An example of this may be found in the case of a person who drives a car during a dark night on the wrong side of the road and injures another.

When the law imposes a duty on an officer, whether by common law or statute, and he neglects to perform it, he may be held accountable for such neglect and in some cases such neglect will amount to a forfeiture of the office.

Under negligence, the sanctioning body(Mojave Desert Racing organization) is fully responsible for this, and they should forfeit all rights to further hold events.

There is NO CARE for the fans. Its all ME, ME, ME, the racer, sporting event, the racing family. What WE want. The big fail here is the public can see right through the selfish racers.

That's why the deaths took place. There was no thought to the safety of the public.

The BLM wasn't really thinking or acting for "civil protection". They had ten badges at the event and not one at the rockpile. The rock-pile, the biggest concentration of fans at the race that evening and not ONE badged officer. Negligence.

MDR, Mojave Desert Racing didn't have any crowd control measures in place at the rock-pile. In years past, as reflected in online videos of the rock pile in previous years races, fencing to control the crowd is clearly visible. None at this years event. Negligence. And the driver, Brett Sloppy. Was he concerned about the fans, when he punched the gas going through the crowd? Did he touch his brake pedal at all, proceeding through the huge, swelling crowds? He LAUNCHED over the jump. He barreled over the jump with bad judgment & timing. Not just bad judgment, as a race driver, he failed in his most important duty at that exact time. To proceed through the crowd, safely.

The list of the blamed. The BLM had no officers at the rock pile. One radio call to Patricia Williams of MDR, stopping the start of the race until appropriate crowd control measures were in place, would have limited the risky situation.

 

[michowski]

Im actually more shocked this doesnt happen more often. Spectators building there own jumps for the trucks, touching em as they fly by, stealing parts as they stop/crash. Definatly a sad situation and I hope they can keep the spectators back a far enough distance that even if a truck rolls they are still in a safe range. RIP to those involved.

 

[Hahnsb2]

The spectators are told to stand back, they don't, their fault, period.

 

[Original_Ranger84]

In general, a party who has caused an injury or loss to another in consequence of his negligence is responsible for all the consequences. An example of this may be found in the case of a person who drives a car during a dark night on the wrong side of the road and injures another.

When the law imposes a duty on an officer, whether by common law or statute, and he neglects to perform it, he may be held accountable for such neglect and in some cases such neglect will amount to a forfeiture of the office.

Under negligence, the sanctioning body(Mojave Desert Racing organization) is fully responsible for this, and they should forfeit all rights to further hold events.

There is NO CARE for the fans. Its all ME, ME, ME, the racer, sporting event, the racing family. What WE want. The big fail here is the public can see right through the selfish racers.

That's why the deaths took place. There was no thought to the safety of the public.

The BLM wasn't really thinking or acting for "civil protection". They had ten badges at the event and not one at the rockpile. The rock-pile, the biggest concentration of fans at the race that evening and not ONE badged officer. Negligence.

MDR, Mojave Desert Racing didn't have any crowd control measures in place at the rock-pile. In years past, as reflected in online videos of the rock pile in previous years races, fencing to control the crowd is clearly visible. None at this years event. Negligence. And the driver, Brett Sloppy. Was he concerned about the fans, when he punched the gas going through the crowd? Did he touch his brake pedal at all, proceeding through the huge, swelling crowds? He LAUNCHED over the jump. He barreled over the jump with bad judgment & timing. Not just bad judgment, as a race driver, he failed in his most important duty at that exact time. To proceed through the crowd, safely.

The list of the blamed. The BLM had no officers at the rock pile. One radio call to Patricia Williams of MDR, stopping the start of the race until appropriate crowd control measures were in place, would have limited the risky situation.

Well I ahven't seen the actual race footage.. So i really can't say. But from what I understand if you are flying in the air you really can't control the truck, it hit funny and rolled into the crowd that was feet off of the track.

 

[d_man1]

Im actually more shocked this doesnt happen more often. Spectators building there own jumps for the trucks, touching em as they fly by, stealing parts as they stop/crash. Definatly a sad situation and I hope they can keep the spectators back a far enough distance that even if a truck rolls they are still in a safe range. RIP to those involved.

ive seen a guy litteraly so drunk he ran infront of a truck that missed him by 1 inch! serious! seen a guy try to steal cooling fans just after a major crash to....

 

[Jim Oaks]

I was at the Badlands this summer for one of their races. If you've ever been there you know there is a wooden fence along the drive as you approach the office. The race started in that lot. When the race started, there were small kids on that fence. The trucks were crashing in to each other at the start of the race and were headed towards the fence. Fortunately they didn't get hit.

Then if that wasn't bad enough, there is a big jump on the other side of the drive in front of the office/entrance. There is a flagman at the top of the jump to warn racers if there is a wreck at the bottom. There was small kids standing right next to the flag man right at the top of the jump at the edge of the track. Not sure what was worse, the flagman letting them stand there, or the parents not looking out for their kids.

A vehicle rolled over down in that area and the flagman wasn't paying attention. Spectators were running across the track while vehicles were still racing by so they could roll the vehicle back over.

I've seen a lot of close calls at various events. The worst part is people who don't have enough sense to keep themselves out of harms way.

 

[OilPatch197]

Dam Jim Oaks, that is scary. a wooden fence? A WOODEN FENCE?

Like how hard is it to install tire barriers? Really, Tire barriers are very effective, why are these pre-runner events SO,far behind the rest of the racing world? Tire barriers, Kart Impact Safety System barriers, or the yellow barrels in front of bridge abutments, how hard is that?

Barriers are necessary on race circuits to enable spectators and TV cameras to get close enough to the action, without being exposed to the danger of being hit by an out of control car. Jackie Stewart transformed the F1 circuit, who will transform this?

 

[Captain Ledd]

Dam Jim Oaks, that is scary. a wooden fence? A WOODEN FENCE?

Like how hard is it to install tire barriers? Really, Tire barriers are very effective, why are these pre-runner events SO,far behind the rest of the racing world? Tire barriers, Kart Impact Safety System barriers, or the yellow barrels in front of bridge abutments, how hard is that?

Barriers are necessary on race circuits to enable spectators and TV cameras to get close enough to the action, without being exposed to the danger of being hit by an out of control car. Jackie Stewart transformed the F1 circuit, who will transform this?

I was under the impression that this was not a circle track, but a long race from point A to point B. A line if you will. A little harder to put up barriers and keep fans off of a milti-mile stretch of track.

Tens of thousands of people were spread out along the 50-mile track

That's a lot of tires.

*edit:
And not only a lot of tires, but if they use a lot of other equipment (yellow barrels/other barriers) to spread out through the middle of the desert. I can imagine a significant amount of fans leaving with "souvenirs".

 

[gwaii]

I was under the impression that this was not a circle track, but a long race from point A to point B. A line if you will. A little harder to put up barriers and keep fans off of a milti-mile stretch of track.



That's a lot of tires.

*edit:
And not only a lot of tires, but if they use a lot of other equipment (yellow barrels/other barriers) to spread out through the middle of the desert. I can imagine a significant amount of fans leaving with "souvenirs".

yup...i think it still comes down to the spectators taking some responsibility for their own safety.and maybe some roving race officials to yell at them every now and then...though i can see that causing it's own set of problems,too.

 

[Bent Bolt]

The racers are not at fault here. The organizers are #1 to blame and are responsible. The spectators are #2 and to a somewhat lessor extent , are also responsible.

Darwin Awards for anyone within 50 meters of an unmarked, unbarricaded high speed race.