The autumn years of the ICE should be the golden years for the ICE.

[RobbieD]

The only way that they could enforce a ban on ICE would be to make gas ridiculously expensive, which would cause many problems.

I can see having to resort to becoming a moonshiner, but it'll be brewing gasoline instead of liquor.

I need to start looking now for a holler up in the hills that the revenooers can't find.

 

[DeathRanger]

people say the infrastructure isn't there, but if your house has a heater, you can support charging an electric vehicle

Electric vehicles can be charged at power draws comparable to various household appliances. Most electric vehicles charging at home on a 240-volt level 2 charger will draw about 7,200 watts or less.
For comparison, a typical electric furnace draws about 10,000 watts and a water heater uses 4,500 watts. The power draw for an electric vehicle is limited by either the electric vehicle supply equipment (EVSE) or the vehicle’s onboard charger which limits the rate of electricity the vehicle can accept.

 

[Roert42]

Cadillac twin-turbo V8 - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

jeeze. How many things they gonna name blackwing lol

They also seem to have a CT4-v Black wing with a twin turbo 3.6l v6.

 

[bobbywalter]

I can see having to resort to becoming a moonshiner, but it'll be brewing gasoline instead of liquor.

I need to start looking now for a holler up in the hills that the revenooers can't find.

You better look careful. As you would be lucky to produce a fraction of what you currently personally consume on a regular basis.....unless your in the 12k miles club. Then...yeah.... butanol if you have some good acreage.


I burned through over 1300 dollars worth of gas last week... 4.30 to 5.10 were prices I remember paying out west...and that was 5 of the tanks ..

At home here it's in the 3.30 range.


I can see 18 dollar gas easily with just the legislation currently in the works. Right now.

Free medical is not free.

 

[sgtsandman]

people say the infrastructure isn't there, but if your house has a heater, you can support charging an electric vehicle

Electric vehicles can be charged at power draws comparable to various household appliances. Most electric vehicles charging at home on a 240-volt level 2 charger will draw about 7,200 watts or less.
For comparison, a typical electric furnace draws about 10,000 watts and a water heater uses 4,500 watts. The power draw for an electric vehicle is limited by either the electric vehicle supply equipment (EVSE) or the vehicle’s onboard charger which limits the rate of electricity the vehicle can accept.

Great for when you are at home.

Are they going to mandate they install these units in everyone’s home and an out of state driver can just drop on by for a charge when needed? Or will travel outside of a round trip charge be banned?

The infrastructure for those out on the road on long trips is where the infrastructure needs work. And because of the charge times, will need to be rethought out. Like stations at a hotel or restaurants where the stop times would be long enough to accommodate it.

Last I read an article on the subject, a charge sufficient enough for a reasonable range (not a full charge) is about 30 to 45 minutes.

Tesla owners have managed to daisy chain there way across a long distance with preplanning. The catch is what if something delays you like bad weather, heavy traffic, or a traffic jam? One might end up being required to call for a mobile unit to came save them because unexpected circumstances prevented them from getting to the next available station. It’s not like they can just pull off the next exit and find a charge station close by.

 

[stmitch]

Last I read an article on the subject, a charge sufficient enough for a reasonable range (not a full charge) is about 30 to 45 minutes.

Agree that charging infrastructure isn't where it needs to be, especially for widespread adoption. That said, EV charging speeds get better all the time. The new Hyundai Ioniq 5 can charge from 10% to 80% in 18 minutes. That's adding about 60 miles of range every 5 minutes.

 

[stmitch]

I'm probably one of the more vocal EV supporters here, but I think ICEs still have a couple of good decades left at least. Raw materials are an issue for EVs. They make 65 million new vehicles per year around the world. There's no way we've got enough raw materials to turn all of them into long range EVs with current battery chemistry. Especially if those batteries are also needed for other electronic devices.

And, ICEs are getting better all the time too. More powerful, cleaner, fore efficient, etc. Lots of OEMs aren't planning much more investment into new ICE lines but that doesn't mean that they're not going to continue making them.

 

[sgtsandman]

Agree that charging infrastructure isn't where it needs to be, especially for widespread adoption. That said, EV charging speeds get better all the time. The new Hyundai Ioniq 5 can charge from 10% to 80% in 18 minutes. That's adding about 60 miles of range every 5 minutes.

That is an improvement to the last thing I saw on the charging times. A rest room stop somewhere might be a viable thing now instead of planning for a meal while you wait.

 

[DeathRanger]

Great for when you are at home.

Are they going to mandate they install these units in everyone’s home and an out of state driver can just drop on by for a charge when needed? Or will travel outside of a round trip charge be banned?

The infrastructure for those out on the road on long trips is where the infrastructure needs work. And because of the charge times, will need to be rethought out. Like stations at a hotel or restaurants where the stop times would be long enough to accommodate it.

Last I read an article on the subject, a charge sufficient enough for a reasonable range (not a full charge) is about 30 to 45 minutes.

Tesla owners have managed to daisy chain there way across a long distance with preplanning. The catch is what if something delays you like bad weather, heavy traffic, or a traffic jam? One might end up being required to call for a mobile unit to came save them because unexpected circumstances prevented them from getting to the next available station. It’s not like they can just pull off the next exit and find a charge station close by.

The average American drives 40 miles a day. using a standard 120 outlet can yield up to 40 miles charge in 8 hours while you sleep. This will cover most days needs.
For people who drive more, you get a 220v outlet installed. similar to a dryer or welding outlet that provides 30-50 miles/hour.

I've personally gone from KC to Texas, KC to Vegas, KC to PA in an electric vehicle, with 0 planning. the vehicle has the smarts to route you the proper way to charge when needed.
These trips took very little extra time compared to ICE vehicle. You pull into charger, plug in, get stuff from vehicle, stretch legs, use restroom, get a snack. by time you get back to vehicle it's almost charged. we usually rearranged car got settled and then car was charged and ready for another 250 miles.

 

[sgtsandman]

The average American drives 40 miles a day. using a standard 120 outlet can yield up to 40 miles charge in 8 hours while you sleep. This will cover most days needs.
For people who drive more, you get a 220v outlet installed. similar to a dryer or welding outlet that provides 30-50 miles/hour.

I've personally gone from KC to Texas, KC to Vegas, KC to PA in an electric vehicle, with 0 planning. the vehicle has the smarts to route you the proper way to charge when needed.
These trips took very little extra time compared to ICE vehicle. You pull into charger, plug in, get stuff from vehicle, stretch legs, use restroom, get a snack. by time you get back to vehicle it's almost charged. we usually rearranged car got settled and then car was charged and ready for another 250 miles.

How has the battery charge held cold vs warm weather and has any of those longer trips been done in cold weather to compare to a longer trip in warm weather?

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

people say the infrastructure isn't there, but if your house has a heater, you can support charging an electric vehicle

Electric vehicles can be charged at power draws comparable to various household appliances. Most electric vehicles charging at home on a 240-volt level 2 charger will draw about 7,200 watts or less.
For comparison, a typical electric furnace draws about 10,000 watts and a water heater uses 4,500 watts. The power draw for an electric vehicle is limited by either the electric vehicle supply equipment (EVSE) or the vehicle’s onboard charger which limits the rate of electricity the vehicle can accept.

So two ev's is basically another furnace plus a little extra?

Yeah, another furnace+, electric water, and maybe the stove... yeah that should not be a problem lol.

The furnace freaking hurts to feed too...

 

[97RangerXLT]

hmm infrastructure... Yep, I agree it is not there yet. but we have a government that does *not* care about spending or future consequenses of spending, as that will be handled at a later time, long after they are dead. And I don't care what side of the government you point your fingers at, both Republicans and Democrats have run our deficit into multi-trillion dollars. Ask yourself, how is that going to be paid off? and since we are that far in the bag already, what is another 15 to 30 trillion dollars added to it? so when it comes down to it, if the need (or desire) for the infrastructure is great enough, our government will gladly heap more on to the deficit to get that in place. If they pull that trigger right now, I would say that they can have a pretty decent grid set up within a couple years.

Now once that grid is in place, and I would imagine as someone else here stated above, there would be mandated charging stations at all homes, but I would also say that all malls/ shopping centers and large department stores will be forced to put a certain amount of stations in their parking lots. to make this a bit easier on the public, those corporations will probably give shoppers that use the charging stations can get a small percentage off of their grocery or shopping bill, with some exclusions.

House charging stations... will be set up separate from the house itself. the charging station will have its own meter and you will be charged all of the motor fuel taxes that keep our roads maintained to a 400 per mile pothole count. Plus added into that charging station tax will be other charges such as electric grid infrastructure maintenance. plus yearly inspection costs to make sure that the unit is operating "safely" and that someone who is knowledgeable about electricity does not bypass the meter and pull from the house.

I could go on, but in the end, I will bet the cost of operating an EV will be way higher than an ICE vehicle that gets 20 mpg... at least consistent with 10 dollars per gallon gasoline.

and for the tinfoil hat section. a nationwide grid of charging stations can be controlled centrally. new pandemic/ virus breakout? easy. shut off all access to charging stations with one central location and only allow government/ emergency/ essential workers access.

AJ

 

[rusty ol ranger]

EVs will not replace ICE. Might supplement it...but not replace.

EV's are *at best* equal to ICE. At worst, very inferior. No ones going to pay more or equal for an inferior product.

 

[RonD]

All the same basic arguments were made as ICE was replacing the horse

Horses were used for probably 6,000 years
And people STILL use horses, so ICE will never go away, will just be used less, like horses now

150 years is not a bad run for ICE, its not 6,000 years but still not bad

Once we(humans) got the knack of technology then Moore's Law kicked in, which basically says technical knowledge doubles every 18months to 2 years
So things are moving fast to get better transportation, yes, electric is better than ICE, in all ways, mechanically and power
Electrical production and the storage(battery) issues will be resolved, the doubles every 2 year thing, lol

Its a shame all our ICE knowledge will be moot, but how many of us know how to saddle a horse or harness a horse to a wagon?
I am betting not as many hands are up as would be with the same question asked in 1900, lol

 

[rusty ol ranger]

All the same basic arguments were made as ICE was replacing the horse

Horses were used for probably 6,000 years
And people STILL use horses, so ICE will never go away, will just be used less, like horses now

150 years is not a bad run for ICE, its not 6,000 years but still not bad

Once we(humans) got the knack of technology then Moore's Law kicked in, which basically says technical knowledge doubles every 18months to 2 years
So things are moving fast to get better transportation, yes, electric is better than ICE, in all ways, mechanically and power
Electrical production and the storage(battery) issues will be resolved, the doubles every 2 year thing, lol

Its a shame all our ICE knowledge will be moot, but how many of us know how to saddle a horse or harness a horse to a wagon?
I am betting not as many hands are up as would be with the same question asked in 1900, lol

I hate to do this but...i have to disagree. ICE is much more practical for its intended use.

As in....ICE can do things EV cannot. But there is nothing an EV can do an ICE cannot. In practical terms