The autumn years of the ICE should be the golden years for the ICE.

[DeathRanger]

How has the battery charge held cold vs warm weather and has any of those longer trips been done in cold weather to compare to a longer trip in warm weather?

most trips were in summer, where you take a minor range hit for AC use
winter has opposite issue where you take a minor range hit for heat use

I don't have great numbers but it's been estimated to lose 20-30% of range when really cold outside air temps and battery is cold soaked.

 

[sgtsandman]

most trips were in summer, where you take a minor range hit for AC use
winter has opposite issue where you take a minor range hit for heat use

I don't have great numbers but it's been estimated to lose 20-30% of range when really cold outside air temps and battery is cold soaked.

Good to get some direct, hands on experience than article and video info and reviews. Which vehicle do you run?

 

[DeathRanger]

Good to get some direct, hands on experience than article and video info and reviews. Which vehicle do you run?

I've been wanting a electric ranger or EV truck for along time. so Ford needs to hurry up and make a good EV ranger.

My wife's vehicle is Tesla Model 3 dual motor long range. bought in April 2019. currently has 125,000 miles and so far the only maintenance was replacing tires.

It's an 80kWh battery and my home electricity costs is $0.08/kWh.
80kWh battery x .08/kwh = $6.40 for a full charge or about 250-300 miles depending on weather

 

[sgtsandman]

I've been wanting a electric ranger or EV truck for along time. so Ford needs to hurry up and make a good EV ranger.

My wife's vehicle is Tesla Model 3 dual motor long range. bought in April 2019. currently has 125,000 miles and so far the only maintenance was replacing tires.

It's an 80kWh battery and my home electricity costs is $0.08/kWh.
80kWh battery x .08/kwh = $6.40 for a full charge or about 250-300 miles depending on weather

Does the power company give any discount for and electric vehicle like they do for an all electric house?

 

[DeathRanger]

Does the power company give any discount for and electric vehicle like they do for an all electric house?

I have a special case since I have solar panels and my electric company hates them so I don't get any discounts.
some electric companies offer time of use programs that make overnight energy extremely cheap.

 

[RonD]

I hate to do this but...i have to disagree. ICE is much more practical for its intended use.

As in....ICE can do things EV cannot. But there is nothing an EV can do an ICE cannot. In practical terms

Electric can move a vehicle without major emissions, also no coolant/oil disposal over time
And while you "can" bring up "how the electricity is made" that's a fools argument, IMO, because REFINERIES for oil and gas pollute just as much or even more than power plants
So where the energy comes from is a moot point as far as "better" as far as I am concerned
And I didn't include the drilling/pumping of oil or its transportation around the planet as far as environmental concerns AND cost

EV is less mechanically complicated, the way chassis' work and steering and brake are the same, but power train is 20 times less complicated without ICE and multi-speed transmissions that are needed with ICE

No, I think electric is Better in all aspects, once the technology is improved

Horse was way "better" than ICE when ICE was new, which is why there were the same arguments
Horses just needed grass and water for fuel..........................so what kind of idiot would PAY for fuel???
Have to be a real moron to get an ICE vehicle over a wagon

 

[rusty ol ranger]

Electric can move a vehicle without major emissions, also no coolant/oil disposal over time
And while you "can" bring up "how the electricity is made" that's a fools argument, IMO, because REFINERIES for oil and gas pollute just as much or even more than power plants
So where the energy comes from is a moot point as far as "better" as far as I am concerned
And I didn't include the drilling/pumping of oil or its transportation around the planet as far as environmental concerns AND cost

EV is less mechanically complicated, the way chassis' work and steering and brake are the same, but power train is 20 times less complicated without ICE and multi-speed transmissions that are needed with ICE

No, I think electric is Better in all aspects, once the technology is improved

Horse was way "better" than ICE when ICE was new, which is why there were the same arguments
Horses just needed grass and water for fuel..........................so what kind of idiot would PAY for fuel???
Have to be a real moron to get an ICE vehicle over a wagon

I see your points but i said from a practical standpoint. As in, the way consumers use the vehicles.

In that matter really, ICE still has a pretty sizeable advantage.

 

[fastpakr]

I see your points but i said from a practical standpoint. As in, the way consumers use the vehicles.

In that matter really, ICE still has a pretty sizeable advantage.

ICE does have some advantages (recharge time is the obvious one) right now. But those advantages are slipping away a little bit each year.

In the big picture, electric vehicles absolutely pollute less. And they cost less to operate. So there are certainly some advantages to them. Whether or not you care about those individually is understandable. But they exist whether or not they're relevant to you.

 

[don4331]

Sooner or later, nobody's going to be able to make a gas motor vehicle. We all know this. And it's unfortunate... because after 100 years or whatever were starting to be able to do some real cool stuff with gas motors.

This MUST be a bummer for manufacturers.

Thoughts?

Why is it a bummer for the company I work for as a manufacturer?

The throttle by wire pedal we make for the xxxx ICE sports car is same as the xxxxx EV sports car.
Instead of tooling up to make electronic fuel injectors/throttle bodies, we tool up for electric motor controllers .
Instead of casting aluminum engines, we cast aluminium battery trays.
Instead of assembling an automatic transmission, we assemble and electric motor drive

Rest of the car is pretty much the same.

We get paid the same...

I'm not saying anyone has to buy and EV but the economics are there;

Using friend's Telsa Model X and another's Ford Edge (2.7) for comparison:

breaker	amps	volts	kW	Model X - mph charging	hours	range	cents/kWh Iowa average	cost
15	12	120	1.44	5	8	40	12.53¢	$0.18
50	40	240	9.6	25	8	200	"	$1.20
mpg (EPA) Ford Edge	distance (matching EV)	Regular unleaded $/gal	cost		Saving (per day)	Savings - 30 day month
20	40	$2.49	$4.98		$4.80	$144.00
"	200	"	$24.90

For the moment, for me personally, the $144/mo isn't enough to cover the justify purchasing an EV (my Ranger is paid for). But triple the cost of gasoline, and it's probably time to move. (By that time, I'll be retired and taking a little longer might not be as big an issue).

Swapping batteries has some technically issues (serious power at the connectors, weight) and political (no one wants to "trade-in" their brand new battery for some 5 year old ones with 80% of the capacity, looks - no one wants a tacky add-on battery pack on their new car).

I have a hard time seeing ICE replaced in next 20 year for farm machinery - so power intensive. Farmers will probably be able to sell you black market diesel...

p.s. I think it is a tribute to @Jim Oaks and the members/mods, that we can have this spirited discussion without name calling.

 

[DeathRanger]

I think everyone should buy the vehicle that fits their needs.

For me this is a small gas truck, Ford Ranger of course, with a decent size bed for small tasks around the farm and maybe occasionally towing a zero turn or small backhoe.
For the wife she needs a vehicle that gets greatest mileage possible for cheapest while needing 0 maintenance as possible. the Tesla just works. it's always charged and always ready to go and the autopilot on highways is pretty awesome.

My use cases are very distinct and neither vehicle could perform the function of the other.

 

[Roert42]

I think we need to scrap everything else and get more I6s. Everything else is just fluff compared to a nice I6

 

[dvdswan]

Plus the replacement of a battery and disposal fee for an EV... one might as well do this... Just for the fun....

Man Blows Up Tesla Instead of Paying $22k in Repairs - YouTube

 

[Snoranger]

EVs have their place... it’s just not in my driveway.... not yet anyway. Maybe in the future when the technology makes them as convenient as an ICE. But don’t lie to yourself, that time is definitely coming and nothing we say will change that.

 

[dvdswan]

true fact ^^^

 

[bobbywalter]

There is a 4wd 4wheel steer buggy on the fargin moon.


ICE isn't doing that. Submarine....nope.


And far and away....most people....the vast majority of consumers would be perfect with an electric vehicle with current technology. The way most people use vehicles. And that majority would charge off peak

And. It's coming. It's here.