Coronavirus

[85_Ranger4x4]

Very well said there Jim, and I agree. I’m sick of seeing him patting himself on the back... I don’t care what he did and when he did it. He dropped the ball early on and is trying to blame everyone else. Nows not the time for blame, nows the time to be real and honest. Trump has a hard time with that... most politicians have a hard time doing that. As much as it’s been said he’s not a politician, he really acts like one!
What we needed from the start was a plan... there was never a plan. By the time a plan was thought up and implemented, it was already too late. Maybe now the government will learn its lesson, have a plan, and keep it current... probably not.

Meh, we have another 100 years to worry about that right?

 

[Snoranger]

Meh, we have another 100 years to worry about that right?

Exactly... remind me to start planning in 99-1/2 years.

 

[PetroleumJunkie412]

I see more governors have created a coalition working together to decide when and how to open their states back up.

In a way I see this as a failure on the federal government and White House. The federal government had no pandemic plan, and had failed to create a plan to get things going again, so the States are banding together to do it on their own.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but thought this is how it was supposed to go. Federal government takes on the international stuff and leaves the states to go to action.

If nothing else, I say make them earn their keep. Wtf does a lieutenant governor actually do? Put his ass to work!

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but thought this is how it was supposed to go. Federal government takes on the international stuff and leaves the states to go to action.

If nothing else, I say make them earn their keep. Wtf does a lieutenant governor actually do? Put his ass to work!

I’ve wondered for years what governors were actually good for. Kinda like the English royalty, they get put up in a mansion and strut around doing next to nothing... except nobody actually cares about them enough to fuss over over them like they do with the royals.

 

[RonD]

Yes, its the "United States" of America
The States are all autonomous, which is why they CAN legalize marijuana in their State while its still illegal in other States or Federally
The Feds can withhold FEMA aid or Federal highway funding as a way to get States to go along with Federal policies

States can't make treaties or trade agreements with foreign states or countries, that's Federal
The international borders are Federal but the state to state borders are NOT

Trump misspoke when he said he was the only one who could decided when travel inside the US would be allowed again
The President of the "United States" of America is a powerful office, but it does have its limits, as it should
But he is not a Constitutional lawyer, he just hires them, so no real reason for him to know all this stuff anyway.
Although some think he should "know it all", he thinks he does sometimes, lol

I have been doing my job, and also wrenching on cars, 40+ years and can safely say I DO NOT know enough about either
Trumps only been President for 4 years

 

[alwaysFlOoReD]

Ahhh, but when you have advisors to let you know the rules of your trade, you will listen to them. I don't think Trump does....

Yes, its the "United States" of America
The States are all autonomous, which is why they CAN legalize marijuana in their State while its still illegal in other States or Federally
The Feds can withhold FEMA aid or Federal highway funding as a way to get States to go along with Federal policies

States can't make treaties or trade agreements with foreign states or countries, that's Federal
The international borders are Federal but the state to state borders are NOT

Trump misspoke when he said he was the only one who could decided when travel inside the US would be allowed again
The President of the "United States" of America is a powerful office, but it does have its limits, as it should
But he is not a Constitutional lawyer, he just hires them, so no real reason for him to know all this stuff anyway.
Although some think he should "know it all", he thinks he does sometimes, lol

I have been doing my job, and also wrenching on cars, 40+ years and can safely say I DO NOT know enough about either
Trumps only been President for 4 years

 

[Uncle Gump]

Ahhh, but when you have advisors to let you know the rules of your trade, you will listen to them. I don't think Trump does....

I think he did listen to them. But remember he also had advisors telling him if you do this... you will create that. Goes back to the fine line of what is the best plan to not totally destroy America. I know I wouldn't want that job... and he was truly in a no win position.

Take a look at the impeachment process that the Democrats knew they couldn't win... but spent 10's of thousands of hours and millions upon millions of dollars on a process that they knew they couldn't win. Do you think that was a wise choice? Maybe those resources would have been better spent working towards a plan for something like what we are in the middle of right now? I say yes... I also say that there are 100's if not thousands of examples of the same waste that are still happening.

I've said it before... there is plenty of blame to go around for all of our elected leaders... right down to the individual "Joe Public" figures.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

I think he did listen to them. But remember he also had advisors telling him if you do this... you will create that. Goes back to the fine line of what is the best plan to not totally destroy America. I know I wouldn't want that job... and he was truly in a no win position.

I think so too.

He was wanting to open the country up by Easter... his advisers made a big stink about it and he didn't.

Although to be fair I don't think it was really wrong to WANT to get back to normal by Easter... I think everybody does.

Take a look at the impeachment process that the Democrats knew they couldn't win... but spent 10's of thousands of hours and millions upon millions of dollars on a process that they knew they couldn't win. Do you think that was a wise choice? Maybe those resources would have been better spent working towards a plan for something like what we are in the middle of right now? I say yes... I also say that there are 100's if not thousands of examples of the same waste that are still happening.

They could have... but you know they wouldn't have.

And it would be a pretty daunting thing to plan for too. Is it going to be respiratory? Gestational? Attack the nervous system? Gotta cover your bases or they are going to rip you apart in the history books for planning on some idiot eating a bat and getting a respiratory virus when a new strain of leprosy causes the next TP shortage.

 

[Dirtman]

Perhaps the white house pandemic response team had a plan.You know, before they were fired...

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Perhaps the white house pandemic response team had a plan.You know, before they were fired...

I kinda halfway looked into it to see if maybe they were competing with a different outfit.. that is a confusing rathole to go down.

The best I found over my break was this:

Partly false claim: Trump fired entire pandemic response team in 2018

Correction: the headline of this fact-check earlier read "Trump fired pandemic response team in 2018", it has been amended to "Trump fired entire pandemic response team in 2018"

www.reuters.com

Being an election year during a pandemic it is easy to find opinions but hard to find facts on what was done and why.

 

[Uncle Gump]

Perhaps the white house pandemic response team had a plan.You know, before they were fired...

Are you certain that the things they were responsible for weren't already being done by other "teams"?

Or maybe they were fired due to the lack of readiness they had to any sort of pandemic? I mean... they certainly weren't prepared for this.

Did they do anything? Were they in a proper state of readiness? Did they leave behind any sort of plan? Maybe they were just sucking money from an already over burdened system?

I mean… it is our government... they certainly wouldn't be wasteful... right?

 

[Dirtman]

I watched a live breifing where he was asked if he felt it was safe to get rid of these people and cut funding to the CDC. His answer was, "we can always just hire these people back if we ever need them".

That right there summed up the problem for me. A, you can't just "hire back" incredibly skilled doctors and staff at a moments notice. These are not people in a glass case that says break open in case of emergency. And B, the job of these people is to prepare and plan for these scenarios. You cant prepare and plan AFTER the problem exists. The entire mindset here is reactive and not proactive. He made it very clear in his own words...

 

[Uncle Gump]

Did they have us prepared in all the years they held those positions? My guess is NO. Probably shouldn't surprise you then that they were fired.

 

[RonD]

Yes, I would have to say IF there was no valid pandemic Plan written down by 2018 then no reason to keep the deadbeats on retainer
If the Plan was written down then no need to keep paying for it

Not sure why the morons in the press don't get that simple business fact, oh wait, maybe its because they know their paycheck will vanish if they "finish" the story, without having a new story lined up
The reporters credo "The half truth, the 3/4 truth but never the whole truth, so help me God"

 

[Dirtman]

So the idea there being you hire a team to plan for something, have them write it down, then fire them?

This isn't a plan for assembling a futon from ikea...