Big brake kits

[Ozwynn]

I have come to the conclusion that nobody in the history of hotrodding and extreme off roading have every built a late 80s/early 90s F150.... I come to this conclusion because there is absolute ZERO aftermarket support for brakes for an F150....

Seriously, how fracking hard should it be to find multi-piston calipers?

Just spit balling here but would it be possible to lengthen D50 TTB beams to fit where a 5 lug D44 beam goes? I don't care about converting to 8 lug.... I just want long travel TTB with enough stopping power to clamp down on the 315/75/16 load E Mickey Thompson Baja Claws I am going to buy. Even with hydro boost on the stock or even the laughable "high" performance single piston calipers and rear disc conversion is not going to be enough to stop quickly at hwy speeds......

Any suggestions or links?

 

[BlackBII]

'95-97 F250's came with twin piston calipers on their ttb. If you can get your hand on some knuckles with the bolt holes instead of the slots for the pins then adapting some wilwood calipers wouldn't be too difficult if you can make your own mounting brackets.

 

[Ozwynn]

'95-97 F250's came with twin piston calipers on their ttb. If you can get your hand on some knuckles with the bolt holes instead of the slots for the pins then adapting some wilwood calipers wouldn't be too difficult if you can make your own mounting brackets.

This is the F250 brake swap?

 

[Ozwynn]

So does this mean I can use 1996 beams and get dual caliper pistons?

And another dumb question: can I use an 8.8 or a 9.75 rear axle from a 2001 to get rear disc brakes?

 

[adsm08]

Not sure about the front end on this one.

Yes, you could use a 97+ 8.8, 9.75 or 10.25 to get rear disc brakes.

BUT, all the TTB years used 5x5.5 bolt pattern. The 97+ is metric, so you will have to run mismatched wheels to stick with a TTB front end.

 

[alwaysFlOoReD]

Or have the axles and rotors drilled for 5x5.5". Up here would be about $100.00 per side. Could be less if you shop around.

 

[Ozwynn]

Not sure about the front end on this one.

Yes, you could use a 97+ 8.8, 9.75 or 10.25 to get rear disc brakes.

BUT, all the TTB years used 5x5.5 bolt pattern. The 97+ is metric, so you will have to run mismatched wheels to stick with a TTB front end.

https://m.bonanza.com/listings/4-wh...MIt4XTje-o1gIVg7fACh0WOwMFEAQYAyABEgLjhvD_BwE

Problem solved

 

[BlackBII]

I wouldn't trust those any further than I could throw them. I recommend redrilling the axle flanges as previously mentioned.

 

[alwaysFlOoReD]

I wouldn't trust those any further than I could throw them.

Why?
If they are torqued properly where would the problem come from?

 

[adsm08]

Why?
If they are torqued properly where would the problem come from?

Agreed Those adapters are actually pretty strong. My boss, on his last Jeep, had the wheels on spacers because the rear would rub otherwise. He his a patch of ice, curbed it, and broke the axle shaft off, but the spacer didn't take any damage.

 

[BlackBII]

Interesting.

My brother works at a tire shop and has seen at least 5 different trucks with those adapters/spacers come in on a tow truck after they sheared off. Usually the stud pulls through the base material.

I imagine if the hardware and base material are high quality and the mounting point is thick enough then they would be safe to use.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Interesting.

My brother works at a tire shop and has seen at least 5 different trucks with those adapters/spacers come in on a tow truck after they sheared off. Usually the stud pulls through the base material.

I imagine if the hardware and base material are high quality and the mounting point is thick enough then they would be safe to use.

I am sure there are different grades of them.

A stud shouldn't pull out of the spacer any easier than it pulls out of the axle flange.

Didn't vans keep the old 8 lug pattern with disk brakes? If so I would check into swapping the rear axle out of one of those and using 8 lug F-250 knuckles/brakes for the front. 4 wheel disk brakes.

 

[Ozwynn]

8 lug knuckles will go on the 5 lug beams? I don't have a problem going 8 lug

 

[BlackBII]

From gofastbroncos' forums

http://www.gofastbroncos.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1162

Ford made five different flavors of the TTB axle.

The Dana 28, 35, 44, 44HD, and 50.

Dana 28:

* 1983-1997 Ranger
* 1984-1990 Bronco II
* 1994-1997 Mazda B3000 + B4000

Ring Gear Diameter: 6.625
Ring Gear Bolts: (10) 3/8 x 24 RH
Cover Bolts: 12
Carrier Breaks: 3.45 / 3.73
Spline Count: 27
Pinion Support: False
Axle Lugs: 5x4.5
Center section is aluminum

Dana 35:

* Some 1990 Bronco IIs
* 1991-1994 Explorer
* 1990-1997 Ranger
* 1994-1997 Mazda B3000 + B4000

Dana 44:

1980-1996 1/2 Ton F150 & Bronco

Reverse rotation high pinion
Center section is steel
Ring Gear Diameter: 8.5"
Ring Gear Bolts: (10) 3/8" X 24RH
Cover Bolts: 10
Carrier Breaks: 3.73/3.92
Spline Count: 30
Pinion Support: False
Axle Lugs: 5x5.5

Dana 44HD:

The medium version was the Dana 44HD TTB used on F250 trucks under 8500# GVWR. This system uses leaf springs for both suspension and locating the axle housings (i.e., there are no radius arms w/ the leaf springs). The medium version uses the same Dana 44 model differential. The axle housings for the Dana 44HD TTB are made of .250 wall steel and they are shorter and heavier than the light duty system. The pivot brackets are designed differently and attach to the front cross member in different locations than a Dana 44 TTB or 2WD truck. The 44HD system uses bigger steering knuckles, spindles, bearings, and hubs (8-lug) than the Dana 44. They cannot be interchanged. The only component interchangeable between the 44 and 44HD are the hubs and diff pumpkin.

The same axle housings are used for both the Dana 44HD and Dana 50 TTB systems, so the only difference between them (out to the spindles) is the differential. There were actually two different versions of the Dana 50 TTB. The lighter Dana 50 TTB used the same components as the Dana 44HD TTB on F250HDs from 1980 to 1983 or so. The heavier version used somewhat bigger axle shafts, u-joints, spindles, bearings, hubs, and hub lockouts on F350s and later model F250HDs.

Reverse rotation high pinion
Center section is steel
Ring Gear Diameter: 8.5"
Ring Gear Bolts: (10) 3/8" X 24RH
Cover Bolts: 10
Carrier Breaks: 3.73/3.92
Spline Count: 30
Pinion Support: False
Axle Lugs: 8x6.5


Dana 50:

The Dana/Spicer Model 50 is an automotive axle manufactured by Dana Corp. and has been used solely in OEM Ford applications. Dana 50's were made as front axles only. The Dana 50 has a "50" cast in to the housing and is regarded to have more strength than a Dana 44, but not as much as a Dana 60. The Dana 50 was made as a solid axle and as a Twin Traction Beam (TTB) which pivots in the center allowing the wheels to move independently of each other. A unique quality of the Dana 50 axle is the lack of variation in both TTB and Solid axle versions, which simplifies repairs and upgrades. There were no carrier breaks and only one spline count. Gross axle weight ratings were lowered by Ford for safety and tire reasons. This TTB was used in the Ford F-250 from 1980 to 1997. The TTB Dana 50 was also used selectively in the F-350 from 1980 to 1986. The GVW was lower in a F-350 with a TTB Dana 50, than a F-350 with a solid axle. The gross axle weight rating of a TTB Dana 50 was 4600 lbs.

* Ring gear measures 9.0".
* 30 Spline Axle shafts.
* Gear Ratios: 3.55:1 - 5.38:1
* No carrier breaks
* Pinion shaft diameter: 1.375"
* Pinion shaft splines: 26
* Axle shaft diameter: 1.21"
* Axle spline diameter: 1.31"
* Axle Lugs: 8x6.5
* Center section is steel

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

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