1999 5.0L Mountaineer Build - SAS with Tons

[kris97ranger]

I just about bought one of these axles to use when i link my ranger but no 16" wheels means no bueno.

Any progress? I sure hope so

 

[036speed]

i dont think you've said yet, but what is the plan for axle location? thought you were going to try and use the stock radius arm's, kinda.

I am not using any of the OEM arm stuff. Currently working on cutting off the oem arm mounts. They hang too low for my liking. I am planing on a standard 3 link with tube arms.

I probably will be pushing the axle forward 4" or so for oil pan clearance. But I really haven't fit this 60 under there yet to see what clearance issues I will have. This 60 is not manageable (weight wise) fully assembled by myself. I could move earlier D60 versions, but not this one. I ordered super deep snap ring pliers a few weeks ago so I can actually disassemble this thing and move it around. Haven't had a chance to do that yet..

I sold the Auto Trans to a guy on the explorer forum. Working on getting that out at the moment and the manual Trans in. I can't design my links under I know where and what my Trans crossmember looks like.


99 Mounty: Tons & 42s
97 Dually

 

[036speed]

 

[036speed]

Got the trans out. First automatic I have ever pulled out. Not bad with the front axle and suspension missing.
Need to pull the case off of it this weekend. The trans has been sold and is making a trip to the West coast. Before I do that, I will be comparing it, physically, to the ZF5.
I still need to pick up a flywheel. I still need to research what I need.


Also selling my house to move closer to life lol. As in work, free baby sitters, etc. Also trying to get into a few select school districts. So I need to get this thing at least rolling sooner than later.
There is a 95% chance the next house wont have a garage for this beast. I will probably have to build one which is my preference. Do it how I want. But it will delay this project.

 

[Kage]

.... Before I do that, I will be comparing it, physically, to the ZF5.
I still need to pick up a flywheel. I still need to research what I need.

I'd be real interested in seeing a comparison. In the next month or so I'm doing a 4R70w to M50D swap, but I would like to go ZF if I can ever find a reasonably priced one in the future. It would be nice to try to get enough clearance while doing the M5OD swap to make sure that a ZF would fit in the same hole. But I got a feeling that some sort of Body life will be needed to fit it, or some tranny tunnel hacking.

As for the rest of the stuff, here's what you'll need:


In addition to that list, you'll need to come up with some shoulder bolts to mount the clutch to the flywheel (3/8" I think).

Edit: Ha! Looks like my table didn't paste over dangit. I'll try to fix that later. But you're going to need all the junk from a '96 F150 (Starter, clutch, flywheel). Grab the full hydro setup from an explorer as well as a pedal setup and you're golden.

Clutch is LUK 7128
Flywheel is LUK LFW161

Hope that helps.

 

[PlumCrazy]

I'd be real interested in seeing a comparison. In the next month or so I'm doing a 4R70w to M50D swap, but I would like to go ZF if I can ever find a reasonably priced one in the future. It would be nice to try to get enough clearance while doing the M5OD swap to make sure that a ZF would fit in the same hole. But I got a feeling that some sort of Body life will be needed to fit it, or some tranny tunnel hacking.

As for the rest of the stuff, here's what you'll need:


In addition to that list, you'll need to come up with some shoulder bolts to mount the clutch to the flywheel (3/8" I think).

Edit: Ha! Looks like my table didn't paste over dangit. I'll try to fix that later. But you're going to need all the junk from a '96 F150 (Starter, clutch, flywheel). Grab the full hydro setup from an explorer as well as a pedal setup and you're golden.

Clutch is LUK 7128
Flywheel is LUK LFW161

Hope that helps.

The ZF is TALL. Like open up the trans tunnel and build a 6" tall box tall.lol

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[Grunizzle]

I have a ZF and a M5odr2 sitting in my garage right now if you guys want any dimensions let me know. Plum is right the ZF shift tower is tall.

 

[Kage]

I have a ZF and a M5odr2 sitting in my garage right now if you guys want any dimensions let me know. Plum is right the ZF shift tower is tall.

That would be good! I know the ZF is quite a bit taller, but I have yet to fine a good comparison between it and the M5OD. If you could grab some side by side photos and a few measurements, that would be great! A couple of the dimensions I'd be interested in are:
- Approximate width
- Approximate height from center to the shifter tower/tower base
- Approximate bell housing depth

 

[036speed]

Finally posting this.

The 4R70W is on its way to the West coast. Excuse the last minute crating with materials I had in the truck.


The 4R70W vs a SBF ZF5. I think it should go in nicely.







Also my house is under contract. So a bit busy over here with that. I need to get this truck at least rolling so I can move it to the next place where ever that might be.

And I need an externally balanced flywheel with 50oz of imbalance. Crazy enough, Amazon has the best price. I need to get that ordered this week. I was at Summit Racing the other night but they only had billet wheels in stock. A Luk LFW161 will work just fine for my application.

Specs I am running for future reference:
164 tooth
11" clutch
External, 50oz imbalance

 

[wizkid00104]

Those ZF transmissions really are tall. This may be a dumb question, but what is the 50 oz of imbalance for?

 

[036speed]

Those ZF transmissions really are tall. This may be a dumb question, but what is the 50 oz of imbalance for?

That is what is needed to keep this generation 302 balanced. The older ones, 1980ish and older require 28oz. At least from what I gather on Google.

 

[036speed]

I have been busy. But I got some pedals and a column from a 97 Ranger for this project. Plumcrazy picked they up for me at a swap meet. $40.



I sold my house. Then the buyer lost his financing. Then it sold again, but the couple got in a country vs new subdivision argument. The wife one and the offer was pulled. So I lost two contracts I had on new-to-me houses. Its been fun. So we are back to square one. Lots of house showings on weekends kicking me out of the garage. And me looking at houses in the evenings. Once I get under contract again, I will be able to wrench again.

 

[wizkid00104]

I have been busy. But I got some pedals and a column from a 97 Ranger for this project. Plumcrazy picked they up for me at a swap meet. $40.



I sold my house. Then the buyer lost his financing. Then it sold again, but the couple got in a country vs new subdivision argument. The wife one and the offer was pulled. So I lost two contracts I had on new-to-me houses. Its been fun. So we are back to square one. Lots of house showings on weekends and me looking at houses in the evenings. Once I get under contract again, I will be able to wrench again.

Buying a house was one of the most stressful things I have ever done. I do not look forward to doing it again.... you have my sympathy I don't even want to think about selling my house either.....

 

[036speed]

Well, the 60 is mounted. It's solid, but it's where I want it. More pics later.




99 Mounty: Tons & 42s
97 Dually

 

[kris97ranger]

thatll do. wheel it