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It kind of is an answer to ecoboost, they get pretty respectable mileage and still have the power of a V8.

I know guys that have them and they don't have anything bad to say about them.

:icon_thumby:that was my thaught too, it's why I started the thread, to see what the masses think.

I know when it was a new concept, there were a few fumbles, but with advanced technology of today, surely they could figure it out, but they say we want little engines with little turbo's to do what a midsize engine can do naturally. I like the growl of a v8 and think that little 'phst' noise that turbos make is really annoying.
 
I just as soon not hear a V8 hitting on 4.

Don’t mind turbo noise a bit. Can’t hardly hear it on an EB though.
 
Cylinder deactivation has been tried in varying forms for decades. It's a lot more complicated than just flipping a switch to disable fuel and ignition to half the cylinders if you're going to do it right.

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More complicated than extra coolers for turbos, extra heat from turbos, more moving parts to break, more money at the repair shop, more hoses to burst, more computer tech to monitor turbo & extra equipment OR improving on an already existing technology that get the same results. IDK I'm on the fence.
 
Yes, more complicated. Boost is a relatively simple problem of engineering to manage pressure, map fuel to match, and make parts strong enough to survive. Physically shutting down a cylinder so it's not compressing is a complicated procedure. We're finally getting to a point that it works fairly well, but it's taken years to develop.

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More complicated than extra coolers for turbos, extra heat from turbos, more moving parts to break, more money at the repair shop, more hoses to burst, more computer tech to monitor turbo & extra equipment OR improving on an already existing technology that get the same results. IDK I'm on the fence.

Yes. Turbo is a fairly minor rearranging of the intake duct work and exhaust piping. When done from the factory it is extremely simple.

Shutting off compression to a cylinder is difficult. I haven't worked in one of those systems personally since Ford doesn't mess with them, but as I understand it almost all the functional ones involve variable length valves.
 
Not to derail the topic but it does amaze me how much research and development goes into keeping fossil fuel engines alive and practical. Im no hippy but if that much research went into alternative fuels we'd probably all be driving 500 hp trucks that run on our own farts.
 
I don't make enough high octane farts for the amount of driving I do and I don't care to our buy other people's farts.

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Not to derail the topic but it does amaze me how much research and development goes into keeping fossil fuel engines alive and practical. Im no hippy but if that much research went into alternative fuels we'd probably all be driving 500 hp trucks that run on our own farts.

It also is amazing that push come to shove a brand new 2018 pickup has the same layout as a 1910's Model T. Engine, trans, driveshaft, solid rear axle. Powertrain nestled between two longitudinal frame rails.

And that was eerily similar to an old horsedrawn wagon with an engine and trans stuck between the frame rails.
 
Not to derail the topic but it does amaze me how much research and development goes into keeping fossil fuel engines alive and practical. Im no hippy but if that much research went into alternative fuels we'd probably all be driving 500 hp trucks that run on our own farts.

You show some ignorance of a few topics with this post. While I don't disagree that we should be researching different forms of energy, there are reasons we stick largely to so-called "fossil fuels".


1) Gasoline and diesel are the most viable fuels we have at the moment. They are relatively stable at normal temps, when in liquid form. That means they can be transported and handled by the average person relatively easily and safely. You don't need special gear like you would for a radioactive material, nor special training and equipment like you do for CNG or LPG fuels.

2) Gas and diesel have the highest BTU ratings of currently viable fuels. More BTU means more energy, means you go farther on a given amount. People like bang for buck.

3) The infrastructure, for nearly a century, has been geared almost 100% towards gasoline/diesel engines. Our training, both of repair technicians and fuel handlers, our fuel distribution, the storage facilities, the refineries, all of it. For a long time there were few places that offered "flex fuel (E85)" or compressed fuels. At the time I took Ford's training on CNG and LPG vehicles the on-line course had a thing that said these fuels were barely available outside a few locations the south west.

4) We don't actually know that crude oil comes from ancient biomatter. And the evidence that it might not is growing. There is also a growing body of evidence that suggests "fossil fuels" are not nearly as non-renewable as we have been lead to believe. Wells that the drillers thought were empty have been revisited and found full again in a space of just a few years.
 
This may be a stupid question....and if it is feel free to tell me but...

Howcome they can make sythetic oil....but not synthetic gasoline?


Also, on a not so stupid note, if they really wanted to curtail oil use, why not stop making so much plastic shit? Find something new to use for womens makeup? So many things contain petroleum its ridiculious. It seems itd be easy(ier) to cut back on that stuff.

I wouldnt bitch one bit if my pop came from a glass bottle instead of a plastic one.
 
There's a continuous push for new sustainable materials to replace petroleum products, and to get away from single use items.

Ethanol was one of the approaches to "synthetic gas", but obviously not a successful one. Propane and natural gas are also used sometimes. Vegetable oil for diesels is another example.

Most synthetic oil is just more refined petroleum stock, but not all.

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This may be a stupid question....and if it is feel free to tell me but...

Howcome they can make sythetic oil....but not synthetic gasoline?


Also, on a not so stupid note, if they really wanted to curtail oil use, why not stop making so much plastic shit? Find something new to use for womens makeup? So many things contain petroleum its ridiculious. It seems itd be easy(ier) to cut back on that stuff.

I wouldnt bitch one bit if my pop came from a glass bottle instead of a plastic one.

A lot of the plastic body panels on new farm equipment are made out of soybeans. So is the foam in newer ford seats. At one time they were making wheel well liner out of recycled batteries.

They were making oil with a special kind of algae, not sure if it fizzled or where it went.
 
This may be a stupid question....and if it is feel free to tell me but...

Howcome they can make sythetic oil....but not synthetic gasoline?

It isn't really synthetic. "Synthetic" oil is refined to a much higher standard. Molecular sive and all that whatnot, to get the particles as close to the same size as possible so it resists shear better. Then it gets some better additives, more concentrated detergents, etc.
 
Isn't group 4 oil truly synthetic, or am I remembering wrong?

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Since we're now on alternative fuels, I think Brazil makes gasoline from sugar cane.
 

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