vavoline nex-gen recycled oil?

[Captain Ledd]

I thought they had been recycling oil for decades?

The stuff is already millions of years old, trapped in dirt under tens of thousands of pounds of pressure, a trip through your engine isn't going to hurt it.

 

[84bluebronco2]

I'm running NextGen in the 08 Merc Milan, and it seems to be doing alright. If anything, it's earning me karma points for saving the environment

 

[LearjetMinako]

I'm running NextGen in the 08 Merc Milan, and it seems to be doing alright. If anything, it's earning me karma points for saving the environment

Just what I was thinking. The NextGen is the same price as conventional oil, but you get the good feeling of helping the enviroment.

Recycled oil is nothing new. Just that Vavoline is stating it publicly on their bottle. I would bet that some other oil companies do the same with their stuff, just not advertising it.

 

[adsm08]

10w40? Is that a 2.9 thing? I know mines basically, what, a bored out 2.9?

No, it's an old thing. Most engines before 1990 ran 10w-30 from new. A lot of people switch them to a heavier engine to account for wear.

And the 4.0 is not really bored. It's been stroked out more than anything. Bearings are a bit tighter too.

 

[pcollins]

I ran Quaker state in my ranger the 2 years I owned it, but with my New F150 I was thinking about switching to this stuff. Its pretty much just re freshened, and they have their 150k mile guarantee with it, so it must be good if they are slapping that guarantee on it just like the new oil.

 

[country0001]

I could see using it if it was cheaper..... But its the same price as the regular Valvoline. So why buy it?

I'm not saying its bad. It is only 50% recycled.

Just sayin......

 

[Funnyman141]

does anybody remember the non-detergent oil? it never went bad, you just had to flush the engine every couple of years, plus filter out the oil using a coffee filter or something. (thats what dad did anyway) he had that oil in his 89 s-10 I rolled, he had that truck since 93. so yea, this isn't new at all, they just added stuff to go bad. lol

 

[exbass94]

does anybody remember the non-detergent oil? it never went bad, you just had to flush the engine every couple of years, plus filter out the oil using a coffee filter or something. (thats what dad did anyway) he had that oil in his 89 s-10 I rolled, he had that truck since 93. so yea, this isn't new at all, they just added stuff to go bad. lol

Non-detergent oil is the most worthless crap ever. I don't even know why they still make that stuff. Not having detergents is a very bad thing. Not only does it not have detergents, it also has NO anti-wear additives or any of the good-stuff additives modern oils have. Check out this comparison of non-detergent oil vs modern oil: http://www.ilma.org/resources/impact_lowqualityoils.pdf

 

[BRUTUS_T_HOG]

does anybody remember the non-detergent oil? it never went bad, you just had to flush the engine every couple of years, plus filter out the oil using a coffee filter or something. (thats what dad did anyway) he had that oil in his 89 s-10 I rolled, he had that truck since 93. so yea, this isn't new at all, they just added stuff to go bad. lol

Non-detergent oil "never" went bad because it didn't capture the dirt and hold it in the oil for draining. what happens is that the dirt settles in the engine and becomes sludge and clogs things up.

the detergent oils capture the dirt particules in the oil and carry it out the drain plug when you change oil.

 

[Snoranger]

Non-detergent oil is the most worthless crap ever. I don't even know why they still make that stuff. Not having detergents is a very bad thing. Not only does it not have detergents, it also has NO anti-wear additives or any of the good-stuff additives modern oils have. Check out this comparison of non-detergent oil vs modern oil: http://www.ilma.org/resources/impact_lowqualityoils.pdf

We use non-detergent oil in air compressors. The pump doesnt need detergent in the oil.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Non-detergent oil is the most worthless crap ever. I don't even know why they still make that stuff. Not having detergents is a very bad thing. Not only does it not have detergents, it also has NO anti-wear additives or any of the good-stuff additives modern oils have. Check out this comparison of non-detergent oil vs modern oil: http://www.ilma.org/resources/impact_lowqualityoils.pdf

Some of the old, old stuff requires it. Circulating all the crap in the oil does nothing if you do not have an oil filter which wasn't always standard issue or even an option. And even then it wasn't always a gauranteed filter, some machines had a tee so it would either go to the filter bypass it completely (before built in bypass valves) There was nothing to force the oil to go through the filter.

Our air compressor here at work calls for non-detergant 10wt oil, and it is only maybe 20-30 years old.

I have heard that some people had a pecking order for their oil way back in the day. It started out new in their newest tractor, went down the line in the order of importance and age of the equipment, then trucks, then cars and then when it worked its way down to the oldest car it was disposed of in one way or another.

The oil bath air cleaner for example on dad's '39 DC Case tractor calls for "thin used engine oil" cast right into the housing. I suppose a lot of it was used in the little pumper cans for chains and to keep the wooden wagons and manure spreaders from rotting out.

I like my Motorcraft oil and filters, I don't remember what the price difference was but it wasn't much at wally world between what I like and the recycled stuff.

 

[Funnyman141]

well this was my father doing this to his truck, and that little iron duke never had a problem, except electrical lol. and Brutus thats why he flushed his motor out with engine flush and detergent oil, then filled it back up with the non-detergent oil. (plus at work he gets the used non-detergent for free.)

 

[exbass94]

Some of the old, old stuff requires it. Circulating all the crap in the oil does nothing if you do not have an oil filter which wasn't always standard issue or even an option.

The only reason the really old stuff requires it is because detergent oil didn't exist way back then and non-detergent was the only thing available. Engines still absolutely benefit from modern detergent oil even if they don't have a filter. Like snoranger said, it keeps the crap in suspension in the oil until you drain it out whereas non-detergent just lets it all stick to the inside of the engine, clogging it up. Notice small engines like lawnmowers and such don't have oil filters and still call for a modern detergent oil now. You won't find a single engine manufacturer still recommending non-detergent.

And like I said, non-detergent has no anti-wear additives. Your engine WILL wear out much sooner using it. Back in the 1940s and 50s you were lucky to get 50k miles out of an engine before needing a rebuild. Now we can easily get over 300k. It is largely due to much better oils, among other things.

I usually say there is no such thing as a bad oil, as long as it meets current API performance specs. Keep it changed regularly and the engine will last forever. Non-detergent however does not meet any performance specs so it is the only thing I really classify as a "bad" oil.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

The only reason the really old stuff requires it is because detergent oil didn't exist way back then and non-detergent was the only thing available. Engines still absolutely benefit from modern detergent oil even if they don't have a filter. Like snoranger said, it keeps the crap in suspension in the oil until you drain it out whereas non-detergent just lets it all stick to the inside of the engine, clogging it up. Notice small engines like lawnmowers and such don't have oil filters and still call for a modern detergent oil now. You won't find a single engine manufacturer still recommending non-detergent.

And like I said, non-detergent has no anti-wear additives. Your engine WILL wear out much sooner using it. Back in the 1940s and 50s you were lucky to get 50k miles out of an engine before needing a rebuild. Now we can easily get over 300k. It is largely due to much better oils, among other things.

I usually say there is no such thing as a bad oil, as long as it meets current API performance specs. Keep it changed regularly and the engine will last forever. Non-detergent however does not meet any performance specs so it is the only thing I really classify as a "bad" oil.

When they are not in front line service they last a long time if you keep up on maintenance, there are more than a couple still going on their first or second engine and the crap would hit the fan if they switched now. The market isn't huge because most people (myself included) run detergant, but given the choice between an almost certain overhaul on something full of hard to find if not obsolete parts and running a lesser oil... the lesser oil wins IMO. All of mine have been apart fairly recently so I go with the better stuff.

The lack of selection says not many people are still using it... but some do.

Everything is better, from filtration (fuel, air and oil), ignition, oil, fuel injection and all around engine design in a new engine. Even with modern oil an older engine design that calls for non-detergant in the book won't hang with a new one for lifespan. After that, if it makes any sense at all, I don't think there will be as many 2011 engines running in 60 years as there are 1950's running now... or maybe even then. They are crude and simple... and easy to rewire.

 

[Captain Ledd]

Most of our small engines don't just recommend detergent oil, they state that I "MUST USE HIGH DETERGENT OIL"

When they are not in front line service they last a long time if you keep up on maintenance.

Anything will last a really long time if you rarely use it yet still maintain it.