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I like my 40.

I like the price of 9mm ammo better.

There is a 9mm in my future... but probably after I buy the wife a 380.
 
I've driven many, many Rangers over the years and always felt the 2.9 was torquier than the 3.0 at low rpms, look at the specs, the 3.0 peak is about 1000 rpm higher. I've seen many times when customers would compare "identical" trucks and one would come in all disappointed that his buddy had a lot more power. They were "identical", both Supercabs with the same engines and automatic transmission, 4 wheel drive, 8' boxes, even the same color. Except that one had 4.10 gears and limited slip and the other had a 3.55 open rear. Maybe a 3.0 with 4.10's would feel more powerful than a 2.9 with 3.45's, I suppose.
 
When I was in high school a buddy and I made a rudimentary computer program. Punch in your 1/4 mile speed and get a time. We scoured thru all the hotrod mags we had and put in all the numbers we could find. IE; weight, tire size, gearing, etc.
If enough people were interested in doing some real world at home testing perhaps we could do a virtual race? A 60' time. A 40mph to 60mph time. Any other tests that you would think would work?
 
Assuming you had 235/75x15's before going to 31's: Dividing the 662 revs per mile of the 31's by the 724 revs the 235's were turning = .914, then multiple that by your 4.10 ratio and it will act like a 3.74 ratio with 235 tires. If it had 3.73's before the gear swap you broke even.
That tire size sounds about right for the original factory tires. I swapped them with the 31" tires that were on my 1973 FJ55 Landcruiser the 89 STX was replacing. The STX did have 3.73 gears from the factory. Breaking even was the plan when I had 4.10 gears installed. I think I only got about 60K miles out of my first clutch with the 3.73 gears and 31" tires. I had to slip the clutch a lot to get it going, especially when towing.
 
When I was young and dumb(er) we towed my wife's race car with a '90 F150 with a 302 & 5spd. Lots of hills going to Watkins Glenn and Summit Point, and the 302 was barely capable - it only worked thanks to the manual trans. Doing that with a 2.9 Ranger sounds like a whole different adventure!
I towed my race car over the Rockies on I-70 once with my 2.9L powered Ranger. There were a couple spots that needed 2nd gear to climb it. I resorted to using I-40 after that.
 
But you can never find the damn 10mm.

Especially since I don't have one. I have .45ACP and 9mm in my house. Much easier to find ammo for and cheaper to feed than 10mm. I just threw it out there to be different and it is pretty much the .357 Magnum of the semiauto world.
 
My favorite caliber is usually the one that is within reach...
 
Go big or go home. .50AE!
 
X2. Depending on the day, I trust my life to a 44 mag or 357 mag.

10mm>9mm>40

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You do realize a .40 cal is actually larger than a 10mm. Never fired a 10mm though, so I can't really argue knockdown potential or anything.

Overall, I think the .40 cal has the "best bang" for the buck and considerably better than a 9mm. Ammo is cheaper for the 9mm though.
 
For outright grunt to get the load moving the 2.9 has it. This is because of its torque being lower in the RPM's. My 3.0, being a highway beater with the 3.45 gears, so such little torque low end come to between 2000-2500 RPM suddenly you can feel the truck take off because it finally reached its power band area and is now producing enough Torque and lets not forget H.P. to actually move it and any weight in it.

My 3.0, With a load in it off the start it is a snail with lots of slipping the clutch to break the load free from a dead stop. For a truck, this bloody motor is useless but as a commuter and grocery getter it is ideal, because you are using it like a station wagon, where this motor belongs. Good gas mileage, with the 3.45 gears runs 2000 rpm @65 and 2500 @75 with power to spare but to load up the bed and a trailer even 4.10 gears can't help this motor move any better. Each motor has its strengths, 2.9 as a truck motor that is used to haul and the 3.0 as a commuter everyday driver motor.

Which one beats the other? This depends on the test. Do you need to haul weight and or up a hill or get to work efficiently? I have often considered the 4.0 swap in mine due to the low end torque that this motor seems to lack. I have also contemplated a cam swap to put the torque back lower in the RPM range but found it is easier just doing a motor swap for that. Neither of the two are ballsy GTFOMW motors but will and did make a good universal motor, albeit with different intakes for the applications. IMO the 3.0 should have never been put in the trucks. Even the newer model 3.0s with the higher specs came with caveats of needing higher RPM's to reach the max outputs. The issue is what happens when you first start to move that weight, low RPM's? High RPM's are for highways not grunt hill climbing work, I live in the mountains and know a thing or two about pulling weight up them. If you need to stop on a steep part getting back up to speed is a pain if you can't get the motor up to those RPM H.P. Torque producing area's.

If a motor can do the same work at 4,500 RPM as a motor at 2500 RPM which one will produce first and be quicker at it? The issue is getting the motor to the 4,500 RPM's to do the work. if the load is sever then the reaching the 4,500 RPM could take a very long time costing both production and fuel till it can reach there . This is where the 2,500 RPM engine shines.


As explained to me torque is what gets the item moving where as it takes both torque and horsepower to keep it moving and make it move faster. Think of a drag car, torque will launch the car from a stand still but after that it needs more Horsepower than Torque to get up to and keep pulling speed. Both are necessary, both are a measurement of power as mentioned earlier by some one, but because each measurement means something different about the power to compare them is next to impossible.


Lets go back the the 5 H.P B.S. motor versus a 500 HP motor. Both can be made to do the same amount of work, albeit one slower than the other. To get the 5 H.P. B.S. motor to pull the same weight as the 500H.P. motor you need gearing witch is adding Torque. This is to get it moving but because it is lacking in H.P. and in torque it does it a lot slower. This is just an example of how Torque plays into these two motors.

As I have mentioned before you can not test which motor will do better than the other with out exact same specs of a vehicle. There can not be a mechanical advantage to one over the other meaning it needs the same trans and gearing on both motors or the tests will be invalid. the weight of the vehicles must be the same or they are pull different weights making the test invalid.
 

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