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Transmission syncro blown again?


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had my truck in in december, they replaced the torsen and the one two syncro in the manual trans, because when the trans was hot, it wouldn't go into first gear, today while coming home from wheeling, same thing, it was getting progressively harder and harder to get into first at a stop, at one point, while waiting for a light, i had to turn the motor off, put it in gear, and restart the motor... what could POSSIBLY cause this problem, AGAIN. Dealer said it was a one two syncro, but it's been 4 months, and only 6000km (4000ish miles) since the trans was re-done!!!!!

as i said in the other thread i just started (about my t-case) my warranty is almost up, and i need to get this in this week for an oil change, at the dealer, so quick replies will be GREATLY appreciated!!

previous work order
 
I got a 93 from a guy real cheap because he said the transmission was shot.

Turns out, his shift rail plugs leaked most of the ATF out of it.

The symptoms mirrored yours. Would drive fine until the engine heat transferred to the transmission, then it wouldn't go into 1st gear unless I shut it off.

I put a new slave cylinder in it, sealed the shifter rail plugs and drove it a few months until I sold it.


Next time it does it, push the clutch to the floor and slip your foot off the pedal so it slams back up. Repeat that a couple times and see if it improves. That'll confirm it's the slave. If it's a warranty job, I'll bet you could convince them to replace the master AND slave.
 
i didn't spend a dime, it was all under warranty... the clutch was replaced about 6 months ago by another dealership (waranty also)...


i'll try the clutch dropping, see if that fixes it, i don't notice it too much under normal driving, it's especially when i am using 4L, for a while, i figure it's because the transmission is turning highway speeds and a running pace, so it doesn't have the wind to cool it down...

anyone know if the factory clutch and slave look different than the motorcraft replacement parts? different paint or such... i know the oil filter on a brand new truck is just a very basic with ford printed on it or such, where as the "ford" motorcraft filter the dealerships would put on are a lot more commercial looking:

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i just want to know if there's any way to call the dealership out, that did my clutch, by proving they didn't do it
 
My 98 2.5 litre does the same thing. I'm not sure its the slave cylinder but its where i'm leaning. Funny thing.....It didnt happen at all over the winter (too cold??)...but now its warming up a bit it seems to be getting funky again....not too bad yet but i remember the HOT days..!!

Mike
 
I'm leaning towards slave cylinder.

I believe that the 1-2 syncro could have been worn out, but the slave should have been replaced then, and again with the clutch. If it wasn't, that is def your problem.
 
the clutch replace had "clutch gearset" i don't have the invoice for it around... i'll have to dig it out or get it re-printed...

when they did the syncro, i'm 99% sure they did NOT replace the slave
 
C&P from t-case thread:


took it in today, didn't even get to the t-case problem... i'm not welcome at that dealership any more... the guy started mouthing off about how he stuck his neck out before, and replaced everything in the transmission and it's my fault that he couldn't find the problem, and he "won't lose his job over my truck" because ford is cracking down on warranty claims... claiming it's my fault that it's broken, because i used 4L... i pretty much told him where to go and how to get there... i'll be stopping at a new dealership tomorrow morning, found out they are an SVT dealership, so i can imagine they should be a lot better... in preparation for it, i put the stock 31's on, and put the valance back on...
 
Call the corporate offices and tell them that you're not welcome at the dealership anymore due to them not fixing your shit under warranty. I've had to do that with Honda and Volkswagen before, and both times it had really good results. That is unacceptable that they won't even bother to try to figure out what is wrong - it also means they are fairly incompetent.
 
i'm going to have to, i'm right pissed about it... the dealership my truck is at right now is not impressing me... the called me last night to tell me they couldn't find the problem, as such there is a 1 hour labour charge, and my bill was $82, but even though it was only 1 hour, it still took them 10 hours to call me back, to let me know they couldn't find the problem, when i said i'll come in and show them, they said the technicians had all gone home and they would have to keep my truck overnight if i wanted to prove it to them, so i'm just on my way in today to go take my truck for another test drive to prove to them there is a problem...

every other dealership i've gone into test drives it, and if they can't find a problem, they say sorry we couldn't find anything, and don't charge you...
 
ok, went into the dealership my truck was at over night, took the truck for a fast boot, got it doing it's thing, took the service advisor for a trip, he said hmmm, let me get the tech, the tech was an idiot, but said my clutch was f-ed, then took the service manager for a boot, he said "there's definitely something wrong" he said he couldn't take it into the shop, because it seemed like there was an install issue, and the dealership that did the second repair, would be stuck with the bill, he suggested i go back to the dealer that put the syncros in, and talk to the GM, complaining about what had happened, i did, the GM brought the service manager into the conversation, who more or less said, bring your truck in early next week, we will fix it, but if it turns out not to be a warranty issue, you, of course, will be stuck with the bill. Which i understand...

so, another development, my clutch was replaced last year, i found out i've got a 1 year 20 000km warranty on it, it expires on monday... the day before my truck goes into the shop for this issue, so if the issue is the clutch, because they refused me on wednesday, i am on the hook for a new clutch, the only thing i can think to do, is send ford's customer care center this email:

Nov. 25 2010 I brought my truck into Woodridge Ford for a problem with my manual trans, it was not shifting into first gear from neutral when hot, repairs were conducted, invoice number FCCS****** *, the same problem is currently noticed in my truck, and no improvement has been noted since the repairs were done. I arrived at Woodridge's service department Wed. Mar. 16th to attempt to get this problem repaired, the Shop Foreman refused to accept my vehicle, claiming that my problem was imaginary, that i "beat the crap out of my truck on a regular basis" and "he wasn't going to risk his job on my truck AGAIN" stating that the only way my truck was going to enter his shop, was if he had a signed credit slip so that i could be charged the cost of repairs, when he opened it and found no problems, as he had already replaced all of the parts inside the transmission. He claimed that all vehicles are hard to get into gear from time to time and i should "get over it". his demeanor was very disrespectful, and dismissive, I don't believe that Ford wishes this be the face of the company.

Today Mar. 18th 2010, I spoke with the General Manager of Woodridge Ford, Travis Eade, who invited the Service Manager Jeff Hantos, to our conversation, both of which were very accommodating, and stated that they would do everything they could to fix my truck, and asked me to bring my truck in next week to be repaired.

Previously, my "clutch gear set" was replaced by Maclin Ford, on Mar. 21 2010 at approximately 77,000km, the clutch is under warranty for another 3 days, the earliest Woodridge can get my vehicle in is Tues. Mar. 22nd 2010, the day after my warranty expires, if it was accepted in, on Wed. Mar. 16th 2010, or fixed thoroughly on the first visit for this issue, my clutch would still be under warranty, and would not be my responsibility to replace, if it is found to be causing these issues.

please allow my truck to be covered by all current, or recently expired warranties.



additionally, my truck right now, is all stock, but with a 3" body lift, the shop foreman, and the first service manager (who suggested i talk to the GM) said that ford could refuse a warranty claim because of the body lift. The problem is in canada, the Magnusson-Moss Warranty Act, does not exist, though i could push canada's "Common-Law" which essentially makes things that are common practice a law, because the MMWA law is in the states, it could kind of carry over the border, because it's common practice...

ironic part, if i were to drive down to Montana and get my truck fixed down there, they wouldn't void my warranty, but i would be over on mileage most likely...

also, everyone i spoke with today, stated that for warranty purposes, it makes no difference the mileage at which you make a complaint, if you roll over before it's fixed, you have no warranty... so because i was in on wednesday, and they refused to fix it, and now monday, my warranty is up, that's too bad... though what i could do, is go in on monday morning for an oil change, and have it all put on the same work order... that way the work order is open when the warranty is still valid...





new development i found today, while it's not going into first, if i am in 4L and try to put it into first, the truck rolls forward slightly...
 
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That sounds like air in the clutch hydraulic system to me. You try bleeding it at the slave cylinder?
 
That sounds like air in the clutch hydraulic system to me. You try bleeding it at the slave cylinder?

i haven't tried doing anything, but i would imagine they would have bled the clutch when they replaced the syncros and other parts in november, and there is no change since before november...
 
not trying to be a prick or anything but it sounds to me like you dont really have to much interest in fixing it your self but 1. it sound like air in the slave to me its easy to bleed and 2. watch the fluid level in the clutch resivor if its dropping then you have a leaking slave from what i hear they fail alot
 
no i don't really have any ambition to fix this issue on my own... it's still under warranty, so why not take it to the dealership to have them fix it, and if they happen to mis-diagnose it, and throw some extra, new parts at it, i won't complain about it... lol

it goes in tomorrow morning, to the dealership that put the clutch in, turns out i have a warranty on the clutch till tomorrow :D everything from the front main seal, to the output shaft on the t/c for the rear driveshaft is under warranty... the only thing that could cause me to have to shell out money, is if this issue is caused by 1) a master cylinder, or 2) if they find the clutch to have "abuse" on it, which they won't i don't super ride the clutch, and i NEVER drop the clutch... if i ever spin the tires (mud or what not) i will let the clutch out at a moderate pace, like i should be doing... i shift calmly...

i kinda hope it's not just air in the system, because i could see them coming back and giving me a bill for that... but we shall see...

i've never actually checked the clutch fluid, but with like 60,000 miles on it, i can't imagine it would be that low... being the transmission was out in november, and i can only imagine they would have bled the system, and topped it up when they put it back in, as they have to disconnect the hydraulic line to get the tranny out, right?


found out the clutch they put in last year (dealership sold me a "warranty" on it, on the BOS, so they replaced it on their dime) was a SASHS clutch, with a ford slave
 

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