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Suspension Lifts vs. Body Lifts - Which is better?


Hadn't actually thought about that, I'm running 225/70r14's right now. I want to find some 15" rims for the sole purpose of actually being able to find tires for the damn things, it seems like finding a 14" tire is about has hard as finding any other parts for 1st Gens.
 
Hadn't actually thought about that, I'm running 225/70r14's right now. I want to find some 15" rims for the sole purpose of actually being able to find tires for the damn things, it seems like finding a 14" tire is about has hard as finding any other parts for 1st Gens.

15's are the new 14's and 16's are not far behind.

Getting hard to find much smaller than 17's used anymore, even 17's are only available on new base model trucks now.
 
15's are the new 14's and 16's are not far behind.

Getting hard to find much smaller than 17's used anymore, even 17's are only available on new base model trucks now.

I see 15" Ranger wheels on CL every now and then, but I just ain't got the funds right now. It's much easier to find 15" tires these days than it is 14" tires. As it is right now, tires for my 14s are $100 a piece, and that's just street tires. I remember a day and time when a whole set of tires could be had for $200. And I'm only 18....
 
One thing you'll find though is that I'm about as Southern as it gets. Hell the only reason I ain't took Rusty in the mud as it sits right now (I know, I'm a moron lol) is because there ain't no good mud holes in my neck of the woods. Least none that I have access too.
 
Hadn't actually thought about that, I'm running 225/70r14's right now. I want to find some 15" rims for the sole purpose of actually being able to find tires for the damn things, it seems like finding a 14" tire is about has hard as finding any other parts for 1st Gens.

Are those the 225/70R14 in your profile page picture? They sure don't look like it. Maybe the ones I had on my 84 were 75 sidewall, I'll have to go out and look when it isn't raining.

Either route you take, lift or stock, I'm with 85... Give up on the 14s. That's the very reason I exchanged the Magnum 500 wheels I loved for the stock '99 model 16" Ranger wheels. Tire availability for the 14s has dried up. I wanted to move to 15" Magnums, but prices and availability on 16" tires made them the better deal. As far as used tires there are a lot of cars and trucks out there that came stock with 16s, therefore there are a lot of used tires for that size available. Used 15" tires in any truck size are hard to come by, I know I looked for them for quite a while before breaking down and buying new. Its hard to find a two much less a set.

I was more meaning that generation of F-150 than all F-150s. It's not limited to your Ranger, stock for stock, most other generations of 150 looks small sitting next to that one. I don't consider those trucks any more. Sure the Raptor has some offroad DNA forcibly injected, but that was an attempt by Ford to prove that F-150 were still trucks. That was a forced mutation, that all the rest wish they could live up to. They are soccer mom SUVs with a really big bed, probably about 3 generations away from loosing all of it's truck heritage. Sorry I just don't like those new F-150s, but to be honest last year model I liked was 96.

I still think you are better off in many respects keeping this truck as is. Larger tires increase wear on an already old drive train and suspension. They are harder for then engine to turn. Can decrease gas mileage. Quickly lead to other more expensive mods to support them. If you want to lift it wait until you are in a better spot financially (not budget this, budget that, budget the other) and can afford to have down time on the truck. I've seen it enough times to know what's going to happen. Lift and larger tires leads to more lift and larger tires, or more power, or more breakage. Even if you work hard to avoid the first two that last one will get you at the worst possible moment. All of them will require more down time and money.

Hell the only reason I ain't took Rusty in the mud as it sits right now (I know, I'm a moron lol) is because there ain't no good mud holes in my neck of the woods.

Dude you just need to save your pennies and get a cheap beater truck. Keep this thing for a driver. Don't have to be much, or even very road worth, just something that you can pick up cheap and running and thrash in the mud holes. 2wd or 4wd doesn't matter, just as long as its cheap enough that when you kill it you won't be out much. If you want to have fun in the mud you need something you can beat, thrash, and scrap.

Oh and from one southern boy to another, mud holes ain't got nothing ta do with being southern, boys everywhere like it. Grew up due east of Columbus (well almost), middle of the state, and maybe 30 miles from the biggest mud pit in the area. Personally I'd much rather be on a dirt road or trail going somewhere. Unfortunately, there ain't any good places for that locally either.
 
Are those the 225/70R14 in your profile page picture? They sure don't look like it....

...I still think you are better off in many respects keeping this truck as is. Larger tires increase wear on an already old drive train and suspension. They are harder for then engine to turn. Can decrease gas mileage. Quickly lead to other more expensive mods to support them. If you want to lift it wait until you are in a better spot financially (not budget this, budget that, budget the other) and can afford to have down time on the truck. I've seen it enough times to know what's going to happen. Lift and larger tires leads to more lift and larger tires, or more power, or more breakage. Even if you work hard to avoid the first two that last one will get you at the worst possible moment. All of them will require more down time and money.

Well option two is the 'mini-truck' route, similar to January's Mini-Truck of the month (honestly the best 1st/2nd Gen street truck I've ever seen in my life), although I'm not quite sure why they're called 'mini-trucks' seeing as they're the same size as mine and about the same ride height. Personally I like the 2nd Gens better but I like mine just the same, though if I do that I want to space the wheels out just a hair, I know it sometimes puts more stress on the wheel bearings but I like a wide wheel-base.
 
Mini-trucks is a term that was coined (atleast in the US) for the lowered compact truck scene. Ford's Courier ,Toyota's Hilux, Nissan's pickups, the early Mazda B-series were the early generations of compact pickups. Customizers started lowering them and tricking them out, and this style was coined as mini-truck. It was kinda similar to lowrider, just dealing with compact pickups. Eventually though a little bigger the Ranger, S10, and Dakota joined the crowd. Unfortunately the last of the breed was the Ranger when it went out of production.

While some of those truck you see up there are close to your ride height, they get much lower. That's just what passes for the mini truck crowd on this forum. FWIW, suspension wise the January TOTM is at least 3" lower than your truck in front and 4 inches in rear if you ignore spring sag. Those tires are smaller diameter than they look.

You could run a spacer or a wheel with less backspacing. The latter is what was done on my 84 by installing 60s Ford car wheels (either from a late 60s Torino or Mustang). That little less backspace (similar to adding a spacer) won't really hurt your wheel bearings unless they were ready to go anyway, and it will make your tires appear to fit much better. Those wheels and that tire size was run on that 84 Ranger from the late 80 to when that picture was taken in 2005 with no wheel bearing problems.

Personally I like option 3: One of each! that's what I'm doing any way. Got the mildly lifted 99 4x4. For the other I'm basically building your truck, lowered with a 302. That option isn't really viable for a college student though. Just something to think about and possibly plan for.
 
....suspension wise the January TOTM is at least 3" lower than your truck in front and 4 inches in rear if you ignore spring sag. Those tires are smaller diameter than they look.

You could run a spacer or a wheel with less backspacing. The latter is what was done on my 84 by installing 60s Ford car wheels (either from a late 60s Torino or Mustang). That little less backspace (similar to adding a spacer) won't really hurt your wheel bearings unless they were ready to go anyway, and it will make your tires appear to fit much better. Those wheels and that tire size was run on that 84 Ranger from the late 80 to when that picture was taken in 2005 with no wheel bearing problems.

Personally I like option 3: One of each! that's what I'm doing any way. Got the mildly lifted 99 4x4. For the other I'm basically building your truck, lowered with a 302. That option isn't really viable for a college student though. Just something to think about and possibly plan for.

If I even thought about a new-body style Ranger It'd be either a 93 or 94, one that still had the 2nd Gen dash. I have no plans to ever lower my truck, I just don't believe in bagging trucks, it looks (no offense) like shit and there's no purpose for it. On a street truck, I would like to run the actual tires it's supposed to have, which are 205/75r14's for the sake of fuel mileage, speedometer accuracy, and less strain on the engine. The problem is that these tires are so hard to find, and when I can find them they're right back at $100 a tire, which I will never accept as being "cheap" even for a new tire.
 
The 99 isn't the truck I wanted either. If I had been able to find anything older with 4x4 in decent shape I probably would have bought it instead. I needed a newer truck that was more reliable (no actual reliability issues with the 84) and did better on gas. Wanted a Ranger. The 99 is what I found. Want to replace it with a 96 or older F-series 4x4, preferably a 68-72 that I build.

You were the one that mentioned mini-truck. You know that you can lower without bagging right? It's called static lowering. Uses fixed suspension components ust like your stock truck. Rides at same height all the time just lower than stock. Honestly one could say the same about a lifting a 2wd truck, I don't, but one could. There's no purpose in either aside from that's what the owner wants.

FWIW the front of my '86 is getting 3" drop I beams, which can be gotten as a direct bolt in replacement for all 2wd Rangers through 97 model year. The rear is getting an axle flip which is about 5", but might be getting lifted back up to a 3" drop. It will be wearing 17" Mustang wheels with the largest tire that will fit in the front wheel well. Everyone of these serves to improve the handling and looks of the truck while not affecting its usefulness as a truck. Truck will be riding about 3" lower front and rear than stock, or 3" lower in front and rear leveled to front. That's it's constant height. No up and down, no ass dragging, just static lowering.

In addition I will also be adding large front and rear sway bars, better shocks, and vastly upgraded brakes which also help handling. Stock fuel tank will be replaced with a rear mounted (under bed) BII tank for balance. I can not speak to fuel efficiency change since I'm also changing gearing, swapping in a V8 and auto, and it hasn't run since I bought it. With that said a modestly lowered truck will often times get better gas mileage.
 
idk if it has been said yet, but if you do go the body lift route, either buy a body lift kit, or buy the lift block's like this > http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-body-lift...Parts_Accessories&hash=item27dea970bf&vxp=mtr and atleast some grade 5 hardware,

reason being is, hockey pucks/low grade hardware can let your body separate from the frame, I've seen it happen and what result's from this is definitely not pretty
 
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I was more meaning that generation of F-150 than all F-150s. It's not limited to your Ranger, stock for stock, most other generations of 150 looks small sitting next to that one. I don't consider those trucks any more. Sure the Raptor has some offroad DNA forcibly injected, but that was an attempt by Ford to prove that F-150 were still trucks. That was a forced mutation, that all the rest wish they could live up to. They are soccer mom SUVs with a really big bed, probably about 3 generations away from loosing all of it's truck heritage. Sorry I just don't like those new F-150s, but to be honest last year model I liked was 96.

The last thing Ford has to prove is that the F-150 is still a truck. Just because it isn't shaped like a brick and doesn't rattle your fillings out doesn't mean it isn't a truck.

For most of the country the Raptor is a status symbol and little else. If I had a big pile of money to blow on a truck an FX4 or STX is what I would prefer.
 
I was more meaning that generation of F-150 than all F-150s. It's not limited to your Ranger, stock for stock, most other generations of 150 looks small sitting next to that one. I don't consider those trucks any more. Sure the Raptor has some offroad DNA forcibly injected, but that was an attempt by Ford to prove that F-150 were still trucks. That was a forced mutation, that all the rest wish they could live up to. They are soccer mom SUVs with a really big bed, probably about 3 generations away from loosing all of it's truck heritage. Sorry I just don't like those new F-150s, but to be honest last year model I liked was 96.

I like the round-body style from 97-03; my dad owns a 98 named "Big Red". The trucks were OKAY from maybe 04-05 but after that they became like you said, soccer mom SUVs with a big bed.
 
I like the round-body style from 97-03; my dad owns a 98 named "Big Red". The trucks were OKAY from maybe 04-05 but after that they became like you said, soccer mom SUVs with a big bed.

04-08 are the same, 09+ have got a facelift and '11 got a much needed powertrain upgrade. Otherwise aside from makeing the already strong frame stonger they are basically the same truck underneith.
 
04-08 are the same, 09+ have got a facelift and '11 got a much needed powertrain upgrade. Otherwise aside from makeing the already strong frame stonger they are basically the same truck underneith.

I work for Opelika Ford about an hour from where I live. On no planet do I condone paying $30,000+ for something that is supposed to be a workhorse. Rusty was only $600.
 
I work for Opelika Ford about an hour from where I live. On no planet do I condone paying $30,000+ for something that is supposed to be a workhorse. Rusty was only $600.

If nobody buys them new nobody buy them used either.

Trucks never have been cheap, Rusty was worth a lot more than $600 when he rolled off the line without even accounting for inflation.
 

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