Some front end friday action for the ecoboost swapped ranger

[Ranger850]

Nice. Where'd you get that honeycomb grille? Been trying to find one and am struggling.

It's an EDGE Grill. That's one of the identifying traits. Ebay has them. Most JYs do not

 

[02 EB swapped ranger]

I don’t think anything with a 5.0 would tough that.

5.0’s are cheap and technologically more comparable with most Rangers.. pretty old school engines though.

Well, if you consider when Ford stopped making the ranger for the US, and when Ford started selling the 2.0 ecoboost in basically every sedan they have, the gap becomes much smaller. 2011 was the last production year for the US spec rangers, and 2012 was the first year for the 2.0 ecoboost (excluding mazdas 2.0/2.3 turbo speed 3's which were basically a test for how the market would handle a motor like that and how they would perform). I'd say if the ranger stayed around in 2012 it would have gotten a chance at actually having a sport trim with a 2.3/2.0 turbo in it from the factory. I wouldn't doubt it that Ford's SVT team was begging for this to be in a special edition ranger either. Hell, they were the same ones that tried stuffing a 5.4L supercharged motor from the ford lightning into a tiny ranger. Sadly that was only prototyped.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo8fcPHhXQc
http://www.mustangandfords.com/featured-vehicles/0304mmff-ford-ranger-380hp/
An Absolute monster in my opinion

 

[bobbywalter]

calling a stockish 2.0 scary in a ranger....i would wager one has never driven a ranger with actual horsepower....fun...huge smiles...hell yeah...

impressive certainly....respectable...for a 2.0 i would say definitely...


frightening...no.....get past 300 and it gets your attention....350-400 and it starts to get sketchy...450 gets scary.








i have put every kind of normal v8 including big block engines in the ranger platform...and even a few odd balls the last 30 years. my main vehicle is a oddball to say the least...

of all the engines available in this time...


the best and most sense so far, is the 2.0 or 2.3 ecoboost for a 2wd platform.

i have not done one yet...and likely the first one i do will be a 2.3 but i am looking at 2.0's too.....but seriously its the smartest setup as it plugs right into the factory trans.

we have owned and still own them in our household. back before we got the new explorer, our edge cruising in the mountains loaded down really sold me on the little 2.0 fawkers...


while i can not speak to the longevity of them for cost outs due to the high dollar and limited options injection systems which is rapidly evolving....these engines complete are still cheap enough to buy a pile of them and not worry about shit.

it is amusing that it can definitely be cheaper to buy a running takeout then a set of new injectors...i have seen lower mile edge engines without turbo for 500 bux.

and there are door slammer ecoboost mustangs with ac and full interiors in the 10 second 1/4 mile club.... adding port injection isnt too hard to get stupid power either.


the weight saved swapping one of these in over a v8....hell even swapping out a tired 4.0 for that matter just makes it that much better for handling.

today if you have a ttb or tib chassis you would have to be an idiot to swap in a 302....when the 5.3 and 6.0 ls platforms are out there under cost for horsepower bone stock.

302.....hard to justify now that the 4 whizzer eco monsters are here and abundantly ready.

it is definitely the smart money in my eyes for the bare bones junkyard swap..

i tried getting the jeep guys to consider them...maybe that was the wrong place to start after all.




if ford would engage the fan base and provide support for the platforms instead of the disgusting bullshit they pass off these last 15 years....

these would be in everything.

even the coyote has a bunch of issues and is not an emissions legal swap in most cases. for the diy home guy ford sucks.

 

[bobbywalter]

Guys in garages and backyards make new ones everyday with a lil help from jegs and a machine shop.

really.


theres something you cant do for 3000 dollars with a junkyard 302 build....


rated 700 hp.


you can get iron eagles block for 12-1300 bux now, and in a taller deck and 4 bolts for a decent foundation...but 500 hp on a oem casting is asking for it...


if you want to get stupid power with a eco 4 whizzer and still actually be able to afford to drive 350 hp around that will be bullet proof you can.

http://www.speedperf6rmanc3.com/pro...block-for-ford-ecoboost-2-0l-rated-700hp.html



dont get me wrong about the ecoboost 2.0 being the end all...with only a 4 year run...its not likely to be a end all situation....but i look forward to harvesting a electric powertrain to swap into my junk pile when they get cheap.

 

[02 EB swapped ranger]

really.


theres something you cant do for 3000 dollars with a junkyard 302 build....


rated 700 hp.


you can get iron eagles block for 12-1300 bux now, and in a taller deck and 4 bolts for a decent foundation...but 500 hp on a oem casting is asking for it...


if you want to get stupid power with a eco 4 whizzer and still actually be able to afford to drive 350 hp around that will be bullet proof you can.

http://www.speedperf6rmanc3.com/pro...block-for-ford-ecoboost-2-0l-rated-700hp.html



dont get me wrong about the ecoboost 2.0 being the end all...with only a 4 year run...its not likely to be a end all situation....but i look forward to harvesting a electric powertrain to swap into my junk pile when they get cheap.

Well, from what it seems like the new 2.0/2.3 (pretty sure just a different head) should be a good option in the future to swap when they start hitting the scrap yards. If ford made a controls pack that would make things 10x easier as well, the electronics are by far the hardest part if you dont have a pcm thats just made for running the bare motor. A pcm out of a scrap yard pull wouldn't start if you attempted to pull it out and just run it with a motor. All the other body control modules would have to be present.

 

[rusty ol ranger]

Ive always heard 600hp was the max for an OEM 302 block before it splits.

That being said, who has reliably gotten more power from a baby ecoboost then a modded 302/351 is capable of?

As far as 5.3/6.0 engines go, the dollar per power ratio is there, just like the 350. Plus, carb conversion kits are out there, but i couldnt bring myself to put a bowtie in an oval

 

[askthemasses]

It's an EDGE Grill. That's one of the identifying traits. Ebay has them. Most JYs do not

Ah. Wonder how much modification is needed to put in in a ranger?

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Well, from what it seems like the new 2.0/2.3 (pretty sure just a different head) should be a good option in the future to swap when they start hitting the scrap yards. If ford made a controls pack that would make things 10x easier as well, the electronics are by far the hardest part if you dont have a pcm thats just made for running the bare motor. A pcm out of a scrap yard pull wouldn't start if you attempted to pull it out and just run it with a motor. All the other body control modules would have to be present.

Can you tune around that? I know nothing about the newer stuff...

Ive always heard 600hp was the max for an OEM 302 block before it splits.

That being said, who has reliably gotten more power from a baby ecoboost then a modded 302/351 is capable of?

I have always heard the threshold for split city was closer to 400hp, of course you don't know until it happens because every block is a little different.

2.3EB in a Mustang makes 50% more power than the best 302's did out of the box. It takes a fair amount of doing to get a 302 to 300hp reliably.

Ah. Wonder how much modification is needed to put in in a ranger?

Depends on the Ranger. If it is a Ranger Edge it is a bolt in. If it is a first gen it isn't really a bolt in.

 

[02 EB swapped ranger]

Can you tune around that? I know nothing about the newer stuff...



I have always heard the threshold for split city was closer to 400hp, of course you don't know until it happens because every block is a little different.

2.3EB in a Mustang makes 50% more power than the best 302's did out of the box. It takes a fair amount of doing to get a 302 to 300hp reliably.



Depends on the Ranger. If it is a Ranger Edge it is a bolt in. If it is a first gen it isn't really a bolt in.

I have no clue. Ive tuned DIY style ecus before (microsquirt and megasquirt), but as for fords pcms I wouldn't know much. But I'm sure a tech savvy ford tech might have a clue. You'd have to be friends with one of those guys to figure that out.

 

[bobbywalter]

Well, from what it seems like the new 2.0/2.3 (pretty sure just a different head) should be a good option in the future to swap when they start hitting the scrap yards. If ford made a controls pack that would make things 10x easier as well, the electronics are by far the hardest part if you dont have a pcm thats just made for running the bare motor. A pcm out of a scrap yard pull wouldn't start if you attempted to pull it out and just run it with a motor. All the other body control modules would have to be present.

this is delible with emulaters and full unlock ecm, but things are changing rapidly. with the new e85 capable high pressure pumps and cost effective injectors its just going to get better... and there is alot more differences in the new units then just the head...the entire cooling flow and block structures are different...externally they may look the same or close enough its hard to tell...

the longitudal engines have the oil pump in the front ect as well...even all of the transmissions are different castings....2wd to 4x4...its fricken retarded. the transfer case inputs and bolt patterns are moronic beyond comprehension... i cant see how it is cost effective to build all of the different powertrains but it is what they do. it causes a lot of confusion.

Ive always heard 600hp was the max for an OEM 302 block before it splits.

That being said, who has reliably gotten more power from a baby ecoboost then a modded 302/351 is capable of?

As far as 5.3/6.0 engines go, the dollar per power ratio is there, just like the 350. Plus, carb conversion kits are out there, but i couldnt bring myself to put a bowtie in an oval

are you bullshitting me? you are thicker then the hoover damn. what the fawk does max power have to do with it? we are talking diy garage swap daily drivers here..in a ford ranger..not prostock rails...

and yes this platform will make more power then any oem 302 and survive....600 hp is a pipe dream for a oem block 302...i have puked two out of my main truck at the 300-330 hp level..(high miles though)..two platform race engines also died in my truck as well while being broke in and tuned, but one of those was because of my torque converter exploding...


for now, real life daily driving power

the champ is still the ls platform for cost per unit......

but these little 4 whizzers are right up their ass...

as to overall affordable fun, the ecowhizzer is the clear winner.


we are talking reality here. this posters truck is a great example of smart power in a driver.

very happy to see people moving with these outside of the locost guys...


my bronco may actually need super duty axles and a much larger transmission by the time i get one of these in it at the rate things are evolving. unless i just swap in the new ranger setup.

where this mazda engine has it over just slapping a turbo on a regular old ranger mazda 4 whizzer(which is awesome too) is its capacity to manipulate the torque curve...

when cobb got into the ecostang game they were tuning them to better then 200 ft pounds from 1800 rpm up .... and holding 300 ft pounds 2k-6k at the wheels...and tq peaking in the 370 plus range somewhere in there...

just a tune and cat back.... that is awesome.

if you can plug a lamp in...that was accessible to a guy. nice.

of course there are/were issues with these with the head gaskets ect in the ecostang world and all has been dealt with already...



hopefully i am not too old when the electric hybrid powerplants are cheap and easy like these things....technical wheeling with maximum available zero rpm torque will be epic.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

hopefully i am not too old when the electric hybrid powerplants are cheap and easy like these things....technical wheeling with maximum available zero rpm torque will be epic.

Or are they waiting for you to get old enough?

 

[Ranger850]

Ah. Wonder how much modification is needed to put in in a ranger?

Ranger Edge not the suv

 

[02 EB swapped ranger]

this is delible with emulaters and full unlock ecm, but things are changing rapidly. with the new e85 capable high pressure pumps and cost effective injectors its just going to get better... and there is alot more differences in the new units then just the head...the entire cooling flow and block structures are different...externally they may look the same or close enough its hard to tell...

the longitudal engines have the oil pump in the front ect as well...even all of the transmissions are different castings....2wd to 4x4...its fricken retarded. the transfer case inputs and bolt patterns are moronic beyond comprehension... i cant see how it is cost effective to build all of the different powertrains but it is what they do. it causes a lot of confusion.





are you bullshitting me? you are thicker then the hoover damn. what the fawk does max power have to do with it? we are talking diy garage swap daily drivers here..in a ford ranger..not prostock rails...

and yes this platform will make more power then any oem 302 and survive....600 hp is a pipe dream for a oem block 302...i have puked two out of my main truck at the 300-330 hp level..(high miles though)..two platform race engines also died in my truck as well while being broke in and tuned, but one of those was because of my torque converter exploding...


for now, real life daily driving power

the champ is still the ls platform for cost per unit......

but these little 4 whizzers are right up their ass...

as to overall affordable fun, the ecowhizzer is the clear winner.


we are talking reality here. this posters truck is a great example of smart power in a driver.

very happy to see people moving with these outside of the locost guys...


my bronco may actually need super duty axles and a much larger transmission by the time i get one of these in it at the rate things are evolving. unless i just swap in the new ranger setup.

where this mazda engine has it over just slapping a turbo on a regular old ranger mazda 4 whizzer(which is awesome too) is its capacity to manipulate the torque curve...

when cobb got into the ecostang game they were tuning them to better then 200 ft pounds from 1800 rpm up .... and holding 300 ft pounds 2k-6k at the wheels...and tq peaking in the 370 plus range somewhere in there...

just a tune and cat back.... that is awesome.

if you can plug a lamp in...that was accessible to a guy. nice.

of course there are/were issues with these with the head gaskets ect in the ecostang world and all has been dealt with already...



hopefully i am not too old when the electric hybrid powerplants are cheap and easy like these things....technical wheeling with maximum available zero rpm torque will be epic.

Yeah, a stock 2.0/2.3 with an e85 tune can push 350hp from what I've been seeing lately. The real limit for top end and making more power is the small little turbo. Its comparable to the size of a vw ko3 turbo. Also another note about this swap that I just ran into today, I will be changing the part number for the wiring harness I recommended. Ford had a recall on that one specifically and when they fixed the harness they changed part numbers. On my way home from work today my ranger ran extremely weird. Give it a little throttle and it would backfire, shut off, and come back to life. Another mile in and it was dead. Wouldn't turn over, wouldnt fire, just cranked. I'm praying right now that the harness is the culprit. The reason ford recalled it was because it had a section that would rub on the intake manifold and eventually fray/rip wires. My main motor harness was used off ebay, so it was one that wasnt fixed/had warranty work done on it. My new harness I just ordered today was $250 and It should be the problem, if not I haven't got the slightest clue on what it could be. Everything checks out - PCM didn't even throw a code.

 

[bobbywalter]

source power is active? the pcm is communicating?

 

[02 EB swapped ranger]

source power is active? the pcm is communicating?

Yep. the hot at all times pcm 12v is getting power. My obd scanner reads around 300 rpm when cranking. So I'm gonna assume its the main motor harness ford had a recall. There is 2 wire splices in it that are the culprit. Yeah, I could hunt them down and fix it but i'd still question the reliability of my original harness in the end.New one should be here around next week Tuesday or Wednesday.