Shell Gas

[exbass94]

There's a purolator plant in Fayetteville,NC. It's about 50 minutes from my house. They make filters and slap different companies stickers on them. Believe what you want, it's the damn truth.

Just because a lot of companies sell rebranded filters as their own doesn't mean that every oil filter is the same. A Mazda B-Series is a rebranded Ranger, so does that mean all pickup trucks are Rangers too?

 

[Toms01PSD]

Just because a lot of companies sell rebranded filters as their own doesn't mean that every oil filter is the same. A Mazda B-Series is a rebranded Ranger, so does that mean all pickup trucks are Rangers too?

Yep, even S-10s and Sonomas. You're kidding right? What i'm saying is that the filters are made and the stickers are slapped on with different brands labels. What you're saying is that all trucks are made the same then they have a brand slapped on them? If I understand that correctly? Terrible argument...
My statement=true
Your statement=obviously false

 

[Tedybear]

Filter companies often do sub-contract out for other companies. Fram does their own line, and supplies rebranded filters for other companies. Pura does the same thing, as well as Wix (rebrand to Napa), etc.. Bob the oil guy I believe did a write up on filters--who makes what and how.

Clearly all oil filters are not created the same. If the Napa Gold line we used on our Probe GT was made by the same company that made the old filter 'Fram'? Then the issues with the HLA's wouldn't have self-corrected. (well known filter issue with a Mazda/Ford 2.2 OHC engine.)

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[exbass94]

Yep, even S-10s and Sonomas. You're kidding right? What i'm saying is that the filters are made and the stickers are slapped on with different brands labels. What you're saying is that all trucks are made the same then they have a brand slapped on them? If I understand that correctly? Terrible argument...
My statement=true
Your statement=obviously false

You obviously didn't understand me. You said that ALL filters are the same. They're not. Yes, some companies use rebranded filters. This doesn't mean that EVERY filter is the same. That would be like saying, since some vehicles are rebranded cars (Mazda = rebranded Ranger) that every vehicle is the same. Got it?

 

[Toms01PSD]

You obviously didn't understand me. You said that ALL filters are the same. They're not. Yes, some companies use rebranded filters. This doesn't mean that EVERY filter is the same. That would be like saying, since some vehicles are rebranded cars (Mazda = rebranded Ranger) that every vehicle is the same. Got it?

Of course EVERY filter isn't the same. You read too indepth in my post. I refuse to argue about oil filters as there has been a thread about them already.

 

[fastpakr]

Looked to me like everybody just read your post. Nothing 'indepth' to it.

 

[Toms01PSD]

Looked to me like everybody just read your post. Nothing 'indepth' to it.

It's harder for me to get a point across in typing/writing than to say it.
Edit: That does seem like a shitty excuse doesn't it?

 

[LearjetMinako]

, this is how I feel when I have to explain why Fram filters are not top notch but is the only filter that our store sells.

Please, let the oil filter war end. If you are still curious, try buying a few and open them up.

When I take my trip up to New York, I plan on stopping at Shell gas stations for fill-ups. Maybe I'll see a difference. Ranger already gets 24~26mpg on the freeway.

 

[mentalbreakdown00]

Ummmmmm hate to ask this..... we use napa/ rebranded wix at the shop and always have, but wth does this place have against fram? I don't know of anyone thats had a prob with them. It's just a quick question, don't bite my head off.

 

[Legend]

Pipeline companies ship lots of different products through the same pipeline and manage to keep the products separate. Pipeline considerations are not a valid issue in deciding whether gas from one station is different from gas from another station.
I watched an episode several years ago while managing a fleet of 150 vehicles or so where a Shell (as I recall) refinery screwed up and produced a large batch of gas that had a high sulfur content or something that destroyed fuel tank sensors. I can tell you for certain sure that only one tank of gas from that batch was enough to make a gas gauge completely wonky and it would never recover. The sensor had to be replaced. Shell managed the disaster very well and voluntarily paid for anyone with a Shell receipt between certain dates to have their sensor replaced. The fact that none of our vehicles had the problem except those that had bought Shell gas at a Shell station during that period, convinced me that generally gas from major brands is likely unique to that brand. Gas from independents may come from different refineries, but apparently a limited number of refineries.

 

[Beanmachine7000]

Pipeline companies ship lots of different products through the same pipeline and manage to keep the products separate. Pipeline considerations are not a valid issue in deciding whether gas from one station is different from gas from another station.
I watched an episode several years ago while managing a fleet of 150 vehicles or so where a Shell (as I recall) refinery screwed up and produced a large batch of gas that had a high sulfur content or something that destroyed fuel tank sensors. I can tell you for certain sure that only one tank of gas from that batch was enough to make a gas gauge completely wonky and it would never recover. The sensor had to be replaced. Shell managed the disaster very well and voluntarily paid for anyone with a Shell receipt between certain dates to have their sensor replaced. The fact that none of our vehicles had the problem except those that had bought Shell gas at a Shell station during that period, convinced me that generally gas from major brands is likely unique to that brand. Gas from independents may come from different refineries, but apparently a limited number of refineries.

The gas that one certain company puts in the pipeline is not the same gas that they pull out of the pipeline at the end... All the gas is the same, it's what is done to it before it goes to their pumps that's different

 

[shadetree]

Major oil companies use "dedicated" pipelines. All types of petroleum are pumped thru the lines, not just gasoline. The way the liquid is pumped, there is no "mixing."

However, these dedicated lines make up less than 5% of all pipe lines. So, the gas you are getting could be anybodies if you are not using a major brand. And true, additivies are added at the point of distribution.shady

 

[Beanmachine7000]

Major oil companies use "dedicated" pipelines. All types of petroleum are pumped thru the lines, not just gasoline. The way the liquid is pumped, there is no "mixing."

However, these dedicated lines make up less than 5% of all pipe lines. So, the gas you are getting could be anybodies if you are not using a major brand. And true, additivies are added at the point of distribution.shady

If I remember right, although it's true that several different petroleum products can be sent through the same pipeline, the are put in with nothing between, so they will mix to a certain degree, and that mix is sold to industrial plants that can burn any type of petroleum product... I could be wrong though...

 

[Sasquatch_Ryda]

Ummmmmm hate to ask this..... we use napa/ rebranded wix at the shop and always have, but wth does this place have against fram? I don't know of anyone thats had a prob with them. It's just a quick question, don't bite my head off.

Grab a Fram and cut it open, it will speak for itself.

We did a comparison at the dealership i'm working at with a Motorcraft FL1A vs a Fram PH1. We cut them both open and wow what a difference in quality.

 

[OilPatch197]

Proven? That's hilarious.

taking several repeated hundred mile trips I gain on average of 1-2 mpg using the suggested brand. So yeah it's proven, not just by me, but some relatives that took a trip down to Florida, several thousand miles noticed they put less fuel in their vehicles when they use the suggested gasoline.

Prove me otherwise.

Grab a Fram and cut it open, it will speak for itself.

We did a comparison at the dealership i'm working at with a Motorcraft FL1A vs a Fram PH1. We cut them both open and wow what a difference in quality.

Exactly, there are the oil filter studies online, funny tho I noticed Fram has been running some commercials on the radio touting the "quality" of their filters, ha.

BTW I don't think that everything Fram does is bad, I DO like the grip material they coat some of the filters with, easier to grip, but makes a filter socket impossible to install.