respect for jeepers

[Frank The Tank]

I'm a hardcore IH man....... but Ford tractors have found their place among the red on the farm. John Deere's have too...... but then we got tired of working on them and the ridiculous service charges and sold them for a loss (yet came out ahead).

Frank

 

[eric17mx]

Hey u know international made some m1 garands back toward ww2? Even has international harvester on it, pretty badass!

 

[rockwerks]

I'm a hardcore IH man....... but Ford tractors have found their place among the red on the farm. John Deere's have too...... but then we got tired of working on them and the ridiculous service charges and sold them for a loss (yet came out ahead).

Frank

The new IH tractor mirahanda tractor. built in Indiana and India LOL

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

I'm a hardcore IH man....... but Ford tractors have found their place among the red on the farm. John Deere's have too...... but then we got tired of working on them and the ridiculous service charges and sold them for a loss (yet came out ahead).

Frank

Hehe, right now in the shop we have a 806 getting a complete tranmission overhaul, a 1486 getting a clutch and a TA, and a 986 waiting outside to get a TA. The only JD is a 3020 getting brakes and a couple hydraulic leaks buttoned up while it is here.

They all break though, and we see about everything come in for about the same stuff. Personally, I like Deere, Allis and Case (pre CIH). I have never really liked red tractors, probably because one of the guys that works in the shop is so die-hard red that it is sickening. That and at least with the older stuff we get in compared to a comparable JD or even Case, they seem pretty crude.

 

[Frank The Tank]

Crude....... simple, effective.

I like a tractor I can actually work on without a 20 dollar hex head bolt individual to JD (Cat does the same thing) and the new IH design on the combines is amazing!! you can change every hydraulic hose and never have to remove another hose to get to it.....

Frank

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Crude....... simple, effective.

I like a tractor I can actually work on without a 20 dollar hex head bolt individual to JD (Cat does the same thing) and the new IH design on the combines is amazing!! you can change every hydraulic hose and never have to remove another hose to get to it.....

Frank

Meh, I just sold a clip to a guy with a little 350U tractor, it was $18 from CNH for the little hairpin clip for the throttle linkage. I could fit it on my pinky fingernail without touching skin. The tractor is worthless without it.

Awhile ago I had to drive down almost to the Missouri border to find a dealer that had a spring pin for an 806 hydraulic valve, it was $13 for something about an inch long and about as big around as a pencil lead.

They all do that crap, anybody that says they don't is trying to sell you one.

 

[eric17mx]

Meh,International is like a ak47 simple and works,meh, john queer is like a m16 everyone thinks they are the best til they actually use one and find it worthless because they put on the bells and wistles and forget that its a tool and the more shit its made of the more shits gonna go wrong, meh, i bet people who own toyotas and john deere sleep in the same bed.Meh!

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Meh,International is like a ak47 simple and works,meh, john queer is like a m16 everyone thinks they are the best til they actually use one and find it worthless because they put on the bells and wistles and forget that its a tool and the more shit its made of the more shits gonna go wrong, meh, i bet people who own toyotas and john deere sleep in the same bed.Meh!

So John Deere is a overcomplicated POS that nobody likes? That is a totally logical explanation as to why they have never been bought out or merged with a different company.

IH died thanks to poor management, from the 1960's on they were almost always a generation behind Deere until they finally folded. From the 4010 on they were stuck playing catch up... and they never caught up. My great uncle has a 460, and it is totally impressive how your leg gets pinned between the TA lever and the gearshifter... 3010's or 700's had no such luxury. The steering and hydraulics also in no way compare with a Deere. Stuff like that, the John Deere tractors didn't have the power that a IH had I will give you that... but they had enough to do what they were supposed to were so much nicer to drive and are plenty reliable.

Yeah they are just tools, but nobody likes tools that are not nice to use. Grandpa is hard of hearing and has a bad back thanks to the small muffler and poor seat design on his WD-45. He never had a problem with the tractor that was the fault of the tractor and for the day it had a ton of power so by your defination it was a good tool... but to most people there is more involved than that. I have it now and it is fun to use, but my B JD blows it away for creature comforts.

Case is just as reliable as a IH if not more, scary simple (without the problematic TA), have a ton of torque vs hp, sip fuel, much nicer to drive (IMO) than an IH. They are not as nice as a Deere to drive but are much cheaper. If I was farming, being the tightwad that I am I would probably be running them because of their lower price, higher fuel economy and hammer like reliablity. The only reason they wanted IH was for their cab design and combines, brag up CIH all you want, but the tractors were JI Case's under the red paint. Peoples loyatly to the red paint has always cracked me. I don't know for sure what they are now since they have traded owners several times since then and since the local dealership folded under two names so there are not many coming in, but within a couple years ago they were still using the Case-Cummins joint venture... the infamous Cummins 5.9 diesel.

And to keep this somewhat on topic, Case New Holland is owned by the same company as Jeep... Fiat.

 

[Frank The Tank]

John Deere is a marketing genious..... people pay them to advertise for them.

JD are not innovators, everything they have ever applied to their equipment was stolen design from a better company.

JD has no R/D department, just steal ideas and market more Dept.

Frank

 

[eric17mx]

Sounds like what the japanese car makers all do.

 

[Ozwynn]

Sounds like what the japanese car makers all do.

except the Japanese car makers put out a far superior product.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

John Deere is a marketing genious..... people pay them to advertise for them.

JD are not innovators, everything they have ever applied to their equipment was stolen design from a better company.

JD has no R/D department, just steal ideas and market more Dept.

Frank

Like what ideas did they steal? IMO, they are more unique of a machine than the other guys.

Soundgaurd cab? Everybody else that had a cab was still vibrating tin boxes with windows when that came out, and nobody else had integrated ROPS.

Disc brakes that actually work? That 3020 I mentioned earlier was down to steel on steel, and it still stopped perfect. IH struggled with the concept of decent working disc brakes for years.

Fuel tank out front for more weight over the front wheels? That was pretty much a JD exclusive, started by the Waterloo Boy (which they bought out)

Powershift transmission? Thankfully they didn't touch IH's time bomb TA.

Planetary final drives? The 806 spread all over the shop still has big ol' bull gears like my 1946 John Deere B, only they are on the outside of the transmission case rather than inside. The 4010 had planetaries in '61 and they stayed with it.

That is really some of the quick big points that make a deere mechanically different than everybody else. If something good came out then usually nobody is very bashfull about using it, A-C came out with rubber tires, factory power steering, draft control, turbocharged diesel engines, powershift rear wheels and you are not holding it against IH that they copied all of it too.

This is a debate that has been going on for decades, I doubt we are going to settle it.

 

[eric17mx]

No one reads throught your mile long posts, fyi. And plastic is not superior to metal, screw them.

 

[Ozwynn]

No one reads throught your mile long posts, fyi. And plastic is not superior to metal, screw them.

so american auto manufacturers don't use plastic?.........

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

No one reads throught your mile long posts, fyi. And plastic is not superior to metal, screw them.

Personally I haven't been paying much attention to your messy posts either. You only chime in to support others and don't really add anything constructive on your own. Apparently I went over your head if you are pulling out the plastic vs steel card. John Deere had steel hoods and fenders until after IH folded. FWI the bodypanels in CNH stuff is plastic as well.

so american auto manufacturers don't use plastic?.........

We are talking tractors, not cars... I think