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rebuilding engine


swynx

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So well be picking up a new car soon as a 3rd vehicle. That way I don't have to drive the truck. Its a 95 Saturn with a 1.9l sohc. 5 speed. Gets good gas mileage. Its got like 250k miles.but its burning alot of oil and needs a clutch/rear main. I think like 2 quarts a month is what it uses. Was wanting to rebuild it using a master rebuild kit. #ek310 on rock auto.

Nerve gone this far into an engine. Will I need to bore over? Any special tools? Any thing else i should order.
 
Start with a wet/dry compression check, don't forget besides the RMS your valve guides could be giving away oil into the combustion chambers.
 
Are you sure it's burning? I ask because my grandma had one of those engines and she couldn't figure out her oil consumption issues. Keep in mind she had low miles probably 130k tops. I got to checking things and the valve cover gasket was leaking to no end. Then i found out that the oil pan gaskets were known to leak horribly. So two things to check unless you know for sure it's burning oil. Figure save you some trouble maybe. If those aren't the culprits disregard my post.
 
Rear main leaks cuz they didn't replace it when they put in clutch. When going down hill in gear it will load up then when you go to take off you'll have a smoke show. I got under it and tightened up the oil pan bolts. It don't smoke when idling. Only after engine brake. Spark plugs show signs of oil being burnt.
 
I picked up a 96 Probe years about 5 years ago for the same reason. It was at 230K, and had not been taken care of by previous owner. A lot worse condition than yours sounds like.

I agree with LIMA and Dan, do a compression test and check for any signs of bad leaks. No point in replacing more than needed. My Probe needed a head gasket and more, but didn't discover it until after replacing the clutch (practically had engine pulled to do that).

If you are pretty confident that you want to go through the motor and you have room to do it I recommend dropping both the motor and trans and working on the outside the car. Open the engine check out the cylinder walls, if the look decent (google will tell you more than I can) then you can probably get away with honing instead of boring. I opened that Probe and still saw some cross hatching and decent cylinders, got away with a hone and standard size pistons. If cylinders look rough you'll need to have them bored, take it to a machine shop and they'll tell you what size to get. You need to do that before ordering anything.

Check on the price of having a crank checked and machined locally. Compare that to the price of a crankshaft kit for your car, it includes a reman. crankshaft and appropriately sized bushings for it. If the price is right for getting yours machined they will tell you the bushings sizes you need to order with the kit. My local prices getting the crank kit was cheaper than machining, but I didn't have that option anyway due to a thrust surface being damaged.

Get the other Master Kit, EK310M, it includes a timing kit. If you are going to the trouble to rebuild the motor you need to replace those components as well. I also recommend getting a new oil pump and water pump. You will have a practically new motor going back in, you don't want to be counting on a 250K oil or water pump. You may also need new head bolts, many engines now use torque to yield bolts (-aka- one time use).

Special tools... Repair manual (Haynes or Chiltons at least) for your car, it'll have instructions and torque values for disassembling and reassembling the motor. Torque wrenches and any special sockets and bits that are required. I imagine nearly everything on that motor will be metric so a good socket set in that and you'll probably need a couple of larger sizes than are in the set, but I can't tell you which ones. Pry bars are very handy tools, but be careful with them. You may also need some special tooling for setting the timing on the motor, the repair manual should be able to tell you more about that.

On that Probe I didn't do everything at once, that's probably the main reason I no longer have it. Basically had the engine and trans pulled 3 different times in the first 2 month of owning it. Once it was right it ran great for a year before third went out in the transmission. Didn't want to pull them again and I was having trouble with my other vehicle (recurring head gasket problem). The probe got donated to the local tech school, and I bought a new car with warranty. Still kicking myself in the azz for that one. The automatic and warranty are nice, but the manual and beater was more fun.
 
Well I have to do a clutch any ways. Not to much more to pull the engine. Car runs great. Plenty of power. Good gas mileage.

Was just reading that in the Saturn booklet it says burning oil is normal in these. Its common for the oil valve guismde seals fail. Most people run 10w instead of 5. It helps. I do that in the truck in the summer any ways.

Maybe ill just replace the clutch and some other stuff and keep driving it till it dies.
 
I would pull motor and trans together do clutch and rebuild motor . Always a good idea to have machine shop go through engine block crank and heads . Wait to get rebuild kit because you might need over sized rings and bearings and such . If you are going to go that far then it pays to do it all the way in the long run.
 
Sorry for the essay above. That was my insomniac side talking. When tired I tend to talk/type a lot more than I need to. Wish I had known that when I was in high school English class.

If you don't mind my asking how much are you paying for the car? Overall condition? Plans to resell?

If the car isn't costing much, and you have other reliable transportation, I'd just do the clutch. Bad valve stem seals and rear main could account for a lot of oil loss. Rear main should be easily accessible while doing the clutch. The valve stem seals may be fairly easy to do your self as well, once again consult the repair manual. No point in doing a lot of work on a cheap beater unless it needs it.
 
Not even sure what were going to get. I know I want to spend 2-3k. Something from the 90s that gets good mileage. Just looking for a 3rd rig so the truck doesnt get used much. My girl friend drives tthe Saturn so were getting her a new car and the Saturn still runs fine just needs the clutch and ill have time to rebuild it. I might just wait till the engine dies and then buy a brand new one.

I have a nice set of tools everything up to like 2 inch sockets. There aren't any special tools required to rering an engine?

Seems like rebuilding the 1.9 could be very costly withball the machine shop mumblo gumbo.
 
Must have misunderstood. I though you were getting the Saturn, but you GF already has it and you are getting a third vehicle. If you've had it while and know it's running good I'd definitely wait on the full rebuild. Replace the clutch and rear main seal and call it good. If it looks like replacing the valve stem seals won't be too difficult might do that as well. I'd wait on doing further work until it actually needs it.

When the time does come for a new engine, if you think you will sell the car then buying a reman engine would definitely be the way to go. That receipt for a reman engine goes a lot further toward resale than saying that you rebuilt the engine yourself.

As for cost to rebuild yourself. I think max would be $1500 on a stockish rebuild based on prices around here. I think you could keep it closer $1000 if you shop around and don't need much machine work.
 
Ya and I saw fresh 1.9s for like 1500. Not sure ill ever sell the car. Any one done valve seals? I've adjustedvalves but that is it.
 

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