powertrax no slip vs 33x10.5x15

[Hahnsb2]

... not true at all. We are talking about a long wheelbase ranger correct? Not a short wheelbase bII? 33 vs 31s are a hell of a difference for something that is as long as a ranger. Some of you guys are making it sound like I think lockers don't help or anything, or they aren't good. Of course lockers are amazing, but in his situation, I think 33s would be a bigger benefit. 31s vs 33s on a bii or wrangler are not that big of a difference. On a ranger, it makes a pretty big difference. Not to mention if he drives it on the road everyday. When I sold my lockright to fund my new axle and gears it wasn't exactly fun to drive for the short time I had it on the road (at least with a manual trans). and if 1" isn't that much, there is only a 2" difference between 31s and 35s..... try taking something with 31s where something with 35s will go. Trust me, an inch makes a difference

If an inch makes a difference, a locker makes 3x the difference. I'd much sooner go back to 31s than give up my lockers, doesn't matter what vehicle.

And the difference in breakover angle is a lot bigger by changing tire size on a short wheelbase vehicle than a long one, so there goes that argument.

 

[pillen140]

No shit (about it doing more for a shorter wheel base), but you need every inch you can get was my point.

 

[6.2]

K, guys, he says if he gets one or the other now, the other option will have to wait till winter or next summer. An since he's considering 33's I'm gonna go out on a limb and say his 31's probably aren't brand new. And probably worn pretty good. (I could be wrong) but I'd rather have new tires, and not have to baby my current ones knowing I won't have money for new ones for 6-12 months.

But that's just me.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

... not true at all. We are talking about a long wheelbase ranger correct? Not a short wheelbase bII? 33 vs 31s are a hell of a difference for something that is as long as a ranger. Some of you guys are making it sound like I think lockers don't help or anything, or they aren't good. Of course lockers are amazing, but in his situation, I think 33s would be a bigger benefit. 31s vs 33s on a bii or wrangler are not that big of a difference. On a ranger, it makes a pretty big difference. Not to mention if he drives it on the road everyday. When I sold my lockright to fund my new axle and gears it wasn't exactly fun to drive for the short time I had it on the road (at least with a manual trans). and if 1" isn't that much, there is only a 2" difference between 31s and 35s..... try taking something with 31s where something with 35s will go. Trust me, an inch makes a difference

The only RBV's I have driven is my std cab longbox Ranger and two 4dr Explorers. They didn't come any longer in '85.

6.2 had a good point about the current tire condition, otherwise I do think lockers would get you farther than bigger tires. Like I mentioned earlier, IMO more flotation hurt more than it helped me with open diffs.

I haven't seen the current gear ratio mentioned, depending on what you have you may need to figure fixing that into the equation if you go to 33's. Figure a grand per axle if you don't know how to do it yourself.

And the difference in breakover angle is a lot bigger by changing tire size on a short wheelbase vehicle than a long one, so there goes that argument.

I think what he was getting at is the more sucky breakover (and departure) angles of a Ranger is more of a liablity offroad than a BII or heep. I don't know how much of a deal it is, but that is how I took it.

 

[Will]

You need lockers to go wheeling--period. Weld the diff on a VW Beetle and you can hammer it through. Whatever is touching has push. That's the damn miracle of locking the diff, however you do it. If you were talking 44s and opens, that's different physics. A limited slip is for when you stop at a stop sign and it's ice on one side.

The guy is buying the tires because he wants bigger tires. That's cool. But don't pretend a friggin truck on 33s and whatever is comparable in any way to a truck on even 28s with a locked axle. If you believe that, try a cold compress on your forehead and get a lobotomy in the morning. My Ranger was modified with a Lock-Right before it had anything else and I spent most of my time yanking on stupid jackasses with body lifts and 33s and no other mods.Once you unload one side of a regular axle, you are done for the day. The sides of my truck are mangled from draggin the body along things, but it goes. That's why I said in my first reply--it depends. Are you wheeling or doing fire roads I can do in a CR-V. My wife's Pilot has a button on the dash that totally locks the rear diff--plus it has super secret 4-wheel traction control etc. If she would let me, I would destroy a Ranger on 33s with a limited slip on a trail with it. You push the damn lock button and it's a whole different game. We used it to get up our 28% slope drive in the winter when all the super secret brake manipulation--what a limited slip is badly trying to do--doesn't work. Even Honda with all of their traction control electronic brilliance was smart enough to see that the shit doesn't work when the going gets tough--even just tough enough for a Pilot or Ridgeline--and they give you a full locker button to press. Because even with car tires on it, a locker is needed. Any offroad vehicle needs it too. It's a no brainer. A L/S is still an open diff and so it a computer controller awd traction strategy system thingy. You absolutely need to go, you lock the bitch up.

 

[pillen140]

This converstaion is getting retarded. I've had all of these things in the past on a ranger, 215/75r15s. ,31s locked/unlocked, 33x10.50 locked /unlocked, the best thing I ever did is add ground clearance. Id love to show you 20+pics of me high centered or hitting my front/rear bumpers. If you want to pretend my wheeling is fire roads or what ever you want to call them, you're dead wrong (but if it makes you feel better that's fine, you can say how much more hardcore you guys are than I). You can try to make people feel inferior by trying to prove your point which in my case I have experienced all of these, and your point has been proven wrong (at least in my case) you can say how much better your set up was, even though you didn't ever have the set up itself. And please stop taking stuff to heart, damn, its a frigging internet forum! Lol. If you want I can show you a picture of me stopping in a mud pit and pulling a rubicon (fully locked in both axles) on 31s.... all thanks to it not having the ground clearance that I had on 33s at that time.

 

[pillen140]

And im not saying that my truck was better at that time with open axles than two lockers, but in those situations it was. It ran laps around it all day. Normal people care about body damage as well, not dragging through everything. Quit using your situations as for HIS truck. And apparently, everyone without lockers is not allowed to go wheeling? Seriously? Alright everyone, keep it on the pavement unless you're locked!

It also sounds like a lot of people saying how they went around pulling people out.... from firmer ground! Not saying that's what you did but it reminds me of a lot of people, pulling something out of a 4ft mud hole from the grass and bragging about how they pulled a jeep on 38's out of a mud hole. Does your honda pass 4wheel drive trucks on the highway in a snow storm aswell? (Im kidding, so please don't get offended)

 

[det107]

This conversation is getting retarded.....If you want I can show you a picture of me stopping in a mud pit and pulling a rubicon (fully locked in both axles) on 31s.... all thanks to it not having the ground clearance that I had on 33s at that time.

 

[pillen140]

Ok, ill get it, but it has to be when im on my computer at home tonight

 

[2813josh]

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

It also sounds like a lot of people saying how they went around pulling people out.... from firmer ground! Not saying that's what you did but it reminds me of a lot of people, pulling something out of a 4ft mud hole from the grass and bragging about how they pulled a jeep on 38's out of a mud hole.

Dumb luck and driver skill also play roles as well. Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you work the controls just right and make it through where the next guy flinched and got stuck.

You can get anything stuck if you try hard enough. I don't wheel on organized trails, if I see a bad spot ahead I go around it or I wait until it dries out.

I can count the times I have buried my trucks on two fingers, and both times because I was messing around in snow and one time I do place a large amount of blame on crappy tires coupled with my questionable judgement in a blizzard (it really could be as bad as they were saying on the radio ) The other time I was cocky because I had a tank of a tractor stashed nearby that much to my expectations did not really care there was a Ranger chained behind it. Of the two times only one truck had anything under a tire besides air, and the Ranger's front tire at max droop had no weight to really do anything.

 

[pillen140]

Lol, im looking for the emoticon that blows my brains out.

 

[pillen140]

 

[pillen140]

sorry its not the side shot i was looking for.

 

[pillen140]

heres me high centered where literally one more inch would have got me out.

heres a pic of a lame jeep with 31x10.50s that didnt have enough ground clearance. (i know, no locker but limited slip)

heres a pic of a different lame grand cherokee 31x12.50's also high centered, he really could have used 33s especially with a locker....

heres one in the same hole i made it through multiple times... with a rear, he has 33x13.50....

heres me high centered again.... no locker would have saved me. 40's and dual lockers would have been great, that was a long night.

heres my girlfriend before her 33s..... stuck. went back the next time with the 33s and open axles and made that mud hole her bitch. lol

heres her winning at a mud bog. it doesnt look deep there, but it gets deeper past 50ft.

heres me in the mud bog with open axles.... beating plenty of people with lockers. and my girlfriend is horrible at taking pics.

heres a double locked yj with i think 38s.... we both beat with open axles.

heres me after being dragged out from being high centered again. i had the locker in that one.

locker didnt help here...

heres our trophies......

i shouldnt be doing any of this, except in a few of those pictures.... theyre the only time i had a locker.