Not sure then. There were only 3 motorcraft ones and the other 2 were for non a/c. Pretty much all that are one there are metal. The plastic ones have the ribs.
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Tom1993
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That's true...
I meant: I can't use the Steel-Mount. that won't fit to engine...
The Plastic wheel is fine. Size is good, and everything.
Only Problem: it has grooves... and my old one is flat...
I'm only afraid, the grooves will damage the Serpentine-Belt ?
If this is supposed to be this way, and my old Pulley had also grooves a 112k miles ago, I could use the grooved Plastic Pulley...
Greetings, Tom
I meant: I can't use the Steel-Mount. that won't fit to engine...
The Plastic wheel is fine. Size is good, and everything.
Only Problem: it has grooves... and my old one is flat...
I'm only afraid, the grooves will damage the Serpentine-Belt ?
If this is supposed to be this way, and my old Pulley had also grooves a 112k miles ago, I could use the grooved Plastic Pulley...
Greetings, Tom
Duane867
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It would take an INSANE amount of belt rub to melt off all those groves.
Was you truck purchased in Germany from a European Ford dealer or imported over via military personnel or what ?
A LOT of things are different on European models versus here in the states.
Was you truck purchased in Germany from a European Ford dealer or imported over via military personnel or what ?
A LOT of things are different on European models versus here in the states.
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Tom1993
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Well,
I never mind about rubbing off the grooves... I'm afraid, the Belt will not survive the grooves, rubb down, and rip within a few hundred miles...
No, this is a Ford Ranger... it was imported in 1993 from the United States.
Well... Ford in Germany offers also a Ranger...
BUT: The Ford Ranger and the Mazda B2300 are Rangers in the US.
The Ranger and Mazda are both Mazda in Europe... (http://www.ford.de/Nutzfahrzeuge/FordRanger)
Completly different cars. Ford's got 5 Bolt-Rims, Mazda's have 6 Bolts.
Just a few Parts a the same, like the M5R1 Tranny...
I had two Dream-Cars in Life... the Ford Ranger Splash, and a 57 Chevy...
The Ranger is here and needs a Pulley, the Chevy sleeps in the Garage...
Sometimes it's not an easy Job, to keep them "alive" and running in Germany.
(LOL, and I hate Japanese Cars at a Car Rental on my Holidays, when going around between Tennessee and Texas...)
OK... back to the Belt... I hope, my friend can bring a new Tensioner from Texas... and I got no Idea, if every Idler-Pulley is grooved for a 2.3 Ranger ?
Greetings, Tom
I never mind about rubbing off the grooves... I'm afraid, the Belt will not survive the grooves, rubb down, and rip within a few hundred miles...
No, this is a Ford Ranger... it was imported in 1993 from the United States.
Well... Ford in Germany offers also a Ranger...
BUT: The Ford Ranger and the Mazda B2300 are Rangers in the US.
The Ranger and Mazda are both Mazda in Europe... (http://www.ford.de/Nutzfahrzeuge/FordRanger)
Completly different cars. Ford's got 5 Bolt-Rims, Mazda's have 6 Bolts.
Just a few Parts a the same, like the M5R1 Tranny...
I had two Dream-Cars in Life... the Ford Ranger Splash, and a 57 Chevy...
The Ranger is here and needs a Pulley, the Chevy sleeps in the Garage...
Sometimes it's not an easy Job, to keep them "alive" and running in Germany.
(LOL, and I hate Japanese Cars at a Car Rental on my Holidays, when going around between Tennessee and Texas...)
OK... back to the Belt... I hope, my friend can bring a new Tensioner from Texas... and I got no Idea, if every Idler-Pulley is grooved for a 2.3 Ranger ?
Greetings, Tom
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From what I have seen there are 2 different ones. A metal smooth one (the one you need) and a plastic grooved one. Those are the only 2 I can find for that engine. The one I linked for you should work. Its the only smooth one available. The others are grooved and made for trucks without AC.
Tom1993
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Surprise...
I'm not sure, the dimensions will fit, but THATS the Kind of Pulley I'm Looking for.
http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=961360
The Smooth Metal would work, too, I belive, but i can't take it of the carryer-plate, and the plate will not fit to mount on the engine.
Greetings, Tom
P.S.: What about the other Rangers with AC and PS ? Do they have grooved pulleys ?
I'm not sure, the dimensions will fit, but THATS the Kind of Pulley I'm Looking for.
http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=961360
The Smooth Metal would work, too, I belive, but i can't take it of the carryer-plate, and the plate will not fit to mount on the engine.
Greetings, Tom
P.S.: What about the other Rangers with AC and PS ? Do they have grooved pulleys ?
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Duane867
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You can take identical older trucks that came off of the same assembly line, on the same day, with the same options and the chances of the brackets being different on them is better then winning a scratch off ticket. Especially true for trucks from the 80's.
On top of that... Dealer added AC and such created an even more craptastic foul up. There was no standardization to speak of other then bolt sizes. I have beat my head against the wall many many times looking for brackets and pulleys for older Ford trucks.
Trucks with AC from the factory had a smooth metal pulley I believe. Even with out AC is supposedly the same smooth metal pulley with no side rails from the factory.
Trucks with DEALER added AC USED THREE DIFFERENT pulleys. TWO different width and diameter plastic ribbed with side rail pulleys and the factory smooth metal pulley with no rails.
I know, I know..... how did we get so lucky !
On top of that... Dealer added AC and such created an even more craptastic foul up. There was no standardization to speak of other then bolt sizes. I have beat my head against the wall many many times looking for brackets and pulleys for older Ford trucks.
Trucks with AC from the factory had a smooth metal pulley I believe. Even with out AC is supposedly the same smooth metal pulley with no side rails from the factory.
Trucks with DEALER added AC USED THREE DIFFERENT pulleys. TWO different width and diameter plastic ribbed with side rail pulleys and the factory smooth metal pulley with no rails.
I know, I know..... how did we get so lucky !
Tom1993
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Well that's, what I understand...
Have a look at the German Junk called Volkswagen or something...
You wan't belive how different the could be...
But Ok.. last time the Pulley:
Even with a Dealer A/C... the Routing of the Serpentine-Belt must be the same...
If I'm right, the Belt MUST run with his smooth side over that Pulley.
So: Why to H..l are the Pulley's grooved ???
I don't bother about using a grooved Pulley... just afraid of the Life of the Serpentine Belt.
Don't want to roll out everytime on the Highway because of a ripped Serpentine Belt...
P.S: that looks good: Dayco 89003
http://www.amazon.com/Dayco-89003-Tensioner-Idler-Pulley/dp/B000C0YR0M/?tag=959media-20
It's a little smaller... but seems to fit...
An other idea could be a Motorcraft YS180
http://www.amazon.com/Motorcraft-YS180-New-Idler-Pulley/dp/B000C5C51A/?tag=959media-20
Greetings, Tom
Have a look at the German Junk called Volkswagen or something...
You wan't belive how different the could be...
But Ok.. last time the Pulley:
Even with a Dealer A/C... the Routing of the Serpentine-Belt must be the same...
If I'm right, the Belt MUST run with his smooth side over that Pulley.
So: Why to H..l are the Pulley's grooved ???
I don't bother about using a grooved Pulley... just afraid of the Life of the Serpentine Belt.
Don't want to roll out everytime on the Highway because of a ripped Serpentine Belt...
P.S: that looks good: Dayco 89003
http://www.amazon.com/Dayco-89003-Tensioner-Idler-Pulley/dp/B000C0YR0M/?tag=959media-20
It's a little smaller... but seems to fit...
An other idea could be a Motorcraft YS180
http://www.amazon.com/Motorcraft-YS180-New-Idler-Pulley/dp/B000C5C51A/?tag=959media-20
Greetings, Tom
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The grooved ones are for a different application. Do not get one. I would take yours off and take it to a parts place and have them match it to a new one.
Tom1993
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Well, that's, where the circle closes...
Regarding you Routing, EVERY 4-Banger has an Idler Wheel at this Place, running the Smooth side of the Belt over it...
BUT: Also every Pulley offered is grooved, except the Metal-one, which will not fit because auf the metal-plate.
Go to a Dealer is a nice Idea... but as I wrote, there are not many dealers with US-Car Parts in Stock. There are a few dealers, but not much Stuff in Stock accept the Standard Chevy-350 parts...
They order my parts, sometime at Summit Racing, sometimes anywhere.
I think, I'll order the Motorcraft Pulley from a F-150 and the other Pulley linked above, and see, what I get, and what I can do with it.
Last hope was a Picture from another 4 Cyl Ranger...
Greetings, Tom
Regarding you Routing, EVERY 4-Banger has an Idler Wheel at this Place, running the Smooth side of the Belt over it...
BUT: Also every Pulley offered is grooved, except the Metal-one, which will not fit because auf the metal-plate.
Go to a Dealer is a nice Idea... but as I wrote, there are not many dealers with US-Car Parts in Stock. There are a few dealers, but not much Stuff in Stock accept the Standard Chevy-350 parts...
They order my parts, sometime at Summit Racing, sometimes anywhere.
I think, I'll order the Motorcraft Pulley from a F-150 and the other Pulley linked above, and see, what I get, and what I can do with it.
Last hope was a Picture from another 4 Cyl Ranger...
Greetings, Tom
I just meant take the pulley in there and see if they can find one that is the same. It may or may not be for your truck, but if it fits then its all good.
Duane867
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I will snap off a desktop shot of all of the belt routing diagrams with all available options installed and with out so you can see exactly how the belt is supposed to run over the pulleys. It will not show you if the pulley is grooved or smooth but it will show you how things are supposed to go as far as routing. Then maybe you can make a better decision as to what pulley will work for you and most importantly how it is supposed to ride on that particular pulley.
With AC and power steering, or with just one or the other the ribbed side of the belt is supposed to contact the pulley. Meaning the belt runs under it just like around the crank pulley.
Side note... not all 4 cylinder rangers have a stationary idler pulley.
With AC & Power steering
http://www.mediafire.com/i/?ynwdjtimmun
Top of this pic..... No AC or Power steering. ( there is no way the belts ribbed side will ever touch an idler pulley.)
http://www.mediafire.com/i/?ykmznjj2imi
With AC and power steering, or with just one or the other the ribbed side of the belt is supposed to contact the pulley. Meaning the belt runs under it just like around the crank pulley.
Side note... not all 4 cylinder rangers have a stationary idler pulley.
With AC & Power steering
http://www.mediafire.com/i/?ynwdjtimmun
Top of this pic..... No AC or Power steering. ( there is no way the belts ribbed side will ever touch an idler pulley.)
http://www.mediafire.com/i/?ykmznjj2imi
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Tom1993
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Hey... Thanks a Lot for your work...
THAT's exact, how it looks in my Ranger !!! Everything equal...
BUT regarding the Pictures, in ALL cases the smooth side runs over the idler ?
Five Wheels run INSIDE (grooved) the Belt: Alternator, Crankshaft, A/C and Powersteering and Waterpump.
Two Wheels run OUTSIDE (smooth) the Belt: Tensioner Pulley and Idler Pulley...
(And your Pic shows it clear: smooth Side on both Idler Pulley and Tensioner Pulley.... See the Small hints for grooved and smooth)
I had a Routing Diagram on the First Page of this Topic modified... this is exacty, how it looks in my engine... or your links... looks the same.
And there the grooved Pulley would run over a smooth Belt, or am I sooo wrong ?
I got noo Idea, how to get the grooved side of the Belt to the Pulley...
The grooved Side runs OVER the AC-Compressor with the grooved side and then UNDER the Idler-Pulley with the smooth side then OVER the Waterpump with the grooved...
That OK, and nothing else makes sense...
Soo, my Rounting and all Mounting is fine ! The Only question left:
Why is the standard offered / sold Idler-Pulley a grooved Pulley ? and will the grooves damage the Belt running over the Smooth side ?
I belive: Something had Mr. Ford in his mind, building it this way... did no one else wonder about this ?
THAT's exact, how it looks in my Ranger !!! Everything equal...
BUT regarding the Pictures, in ALL cases the smooth side runs over the idler ?
Five Wheels run INSIDE (grooved) the Belt: Alternator, Crankshaft, A/C and Powersteering and Waterpump.
Two Wheels run OUTSIDE (smooth) the Belt: Tensioner Pulley and Idler Pulley...
(And your Pic shows it clear: smooth Side on both Idler Pulley and Tensioner Pulley.... See the Small hints for grooved and smooth)
I had a Routing Diagram on the First Page of this Topic modified... this is exacty, how it looks in my engine... or your links... looks the same.
And there the grooved Pulley would run over a smooth Belt, or am I sooo wrong ?
I got noo Idea, how to get the grooved side of the Belt to the Pulley...
The grooved Side runs OVER the AC-Compressor with the grooved side and then UNDER the Idler-Pulley with the smooth side then OVER the Waterpump with the grooved...
That OK, and nothing else makes sense...
Soo, my Rounting and all Mounting is fine ! The Only question left:
Why is the standard offered / sold Idler-Pulley a grooved Pulley ? and will the grooves damage the Belt running over the Smooth side ?
I belive: Something had Mr. Ford in his mind, building it this way... did no one else wonder about this ?
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Duane867
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I meant to type "there is no way the belts ribbed side will ever touch and idler pulley". My bad.. late night LOL !
The grooved side of the belt makes full contact with every optional equipment you have installed on your truck. Not the smooth side. (The water pump, power steering pump, AC compressor, and alternator pulleys all make contact with the grooved side of the belt)
In all cases ( according to the diagrams on my All Data Pro software ) with or with out power options or AC the smooth side of the belt always makes contact with both idler pulleys ( or one pulley if you have no optional equipment ).
Read the vehicles a smooth stationary idler pulley will fit in the listings given:
http://www.am-autoparts.com/AM/Pull..._medium=cpc&utm_campaign=new_google_base_feed
The pulley you have on your truck says its from a 92 2.3L set up.
All I can find for a 93 searching for stationary idler pulley have ribs or show as metal.
The smooth pulleys with ribs show for 85 - 92 2.3L v6 and v8's.
Part number 89003 :
http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/raf...37822&parttype=6956&a=FRc1137822k3672-2364063
( note the year chosen )
Then look under 1993.
I am going out to my truck right now to see if my 93 2.3L with AC, and power steering is smooth or ribbed... Be back in a few t let you know... ( should have done that from the start ! DUH ! )
I'll be damned ! mine is smooth as well !
Order the one for a 92' and your done. Now I fully understand your confusion LOL !
BUT not with the belt routing. It is monkey see monkey do so to speak. It is exactly as shown in the diagrams. ( also on the core support of your truck I think )
All I can come up with about the grooved pulley is it could be some sort of updated version to reduce heat because the belt still rides in the original position. Smooth side contacting.
OR both our trucks happen to have been manufactured early in the year and got 92 pulleys ? I haven't looked at other 2.3L idle pulleys though so I couldn't say for sure if they all have them or not.
The grooved side of the belt makes full contact with every optional equipment you have installed on your truck. Not the smooth side. (The water pump, power steering pump, AC compressor, and alternator pulleys all make contact with the grooved side of the belt)
In all cases ( according to the diagrams on my All Data Pro software ) with or with out power options or AC the smooth side of the belt always makes contact with both idler pulleys ( or one pulley if you have no optional equipment ).
Read the vehicles a smooth stationary idler pulley will fit in the listings given:
http://www.am-autoparts.com/AM/Pull..._medium=cpc&utm_campaign=new_google_base_feed
The pulley you have on your truck says its from a 92 2.3L set up.
All I can find for a 93 searching for stationary idler pulley have ribs or show as metal.
The smooth pulleys with ribs show for 85 - 92 2.3L v6 and v8's.
Part number 89003 :
http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/raf...37822&parttype=6956&a=FRc1137822k3672-2364063
( note the year chosen )
Then look under 1993.
I am going out to my truck right now to see if my 93 2.3L with AC, and power steering is smooth or ribbed... Be back in a few t let you know... ( should have done that from the start ! DUH ! )
I'll be damned ! mine is smooth as well !
Order the one for a 92' and your done. Now I fully understand your confusion LOL !
BUT not with the belt routing. It is monkey see monkey do so to speak. It is exactly as shown in the diagrams. ( also on the core support of your truck I think )
All I can come up with about the grooved pulley is it could be some sort of updated version to reduce heat because the belt still rides in the original position. Smooth side contacting.
OR both our trucks happen to have been manufactured early in the year and got 92 pulleys ? I haven't looked at other 2.3L idle pulleys though so I couldn't say for sure if they all have them or not.
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Tom1993
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Well OK... and thanks a Lot...
I'm was afraid, I'm going mad allready...
Yes, there never was a problem with the Routing... just the Pulley makes no sence...
In Germany, we are only a few Rangers, so everyone makes the best he can.
But I'm surprises, that in America with soo much Rangers nobody asked about that part and why the Replacement is grooved...
Well... YOU can go to NAPA or Rockauto, lay the old Pulley on the Table and say: "Give me a new one, please"...
Here shipping with USPS is the triple Value of that Pulley...
I was at my Parts-Store yesterday, and he'll look for me, if he can get a smooth wheel.
Yes, we discussed here, too, if the grooves could be for cooling or silence.
But I'm afraid, when I'm wrong, and the Belt rips, I wan't get help from ADAC (That's Drivers-Service Club, I think like AAA in the US).
OK, we got it... maybe someone knows the original Motorcraft Replacement No. of that wheel ? I think Motorcraft YS-180 looks fine... Gates 38012 looks also, like it could work...
If anyone replaced this Idler with a smooth one, or knows, why a grooved Pulley is listed and sold today, maybe we get a little wiser...
I wrote to Ford.com... maybe they know about this. Unfortunally it's not easy to call them... can't get 0800 Numbers in the US.
But I very lucky
not to be alone with this question.
Thanks for your help...
Tom
I'm was afraid, I'm going mad allready...
Yes, there never was a problem with the Routing... just the Pulley makes no sence...
In Germany, we are only a few Rangers, so everyone makes the best he can.
But I'm surprises, that in America with soo much Rangers nobody asked about that part and why the Replacement is grooved...
Well... YOU can go to NAPA or Rockauto, lay the old Pulley on the Table and say: "Give me a new one, please"...
Here shipping with USPS is the triple Value of that Pulley...
I was at my Parts-Store yesterday, and he'll look for me, if he can get a smooth wheel.
Yes, we discussed here, too, if the grooves could be for cooling or silence.
But I'm afraid, when I'm wrong, and the Belt rips, I wan't get help from ADAC (That's Drivers-Service Club, I think like AAA in the US).
OK, we got it... maybe someone knows the original Motorcraft Replacement No. of that wheel ? I think Motorcraft YS-180 looks fine... Gates 38012 looks also, like it could work...
If anyone replaced this Idler with a smooth one, or knows, why a grooved Pulley is listed and sold today, maybe we get a little wiser...
I wrote to Ford.com... maybe they know about this. Unfortunally it's not easy to call them... can't get 0800 Numbers in the US.
But I very lucky
not to be alone with this question.Thanks for your help...
Tom
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